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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Unless you live in my Cox market. Somehow, they've made it where only the last drive paired works. I've tried drive after drive, in multiple TiVos, reproducing the result. Every time I pair, and all works, I cloned the drive to an identical drive, then installed, to find pairing had to be repeated.

    I get jumped every time I state this... But, it seems the cablecard knows the drive S/N has changed, and nulls out the pairing. I don't know exactly HOW it can know, I after 20+ attempts, I feel the results show it is the case.

    I didn't have this problem until the second-to-last time the cards received updated firmware.
  2. MeInDallas

    MeInDallas New Member

    Jul 31, 2011
    Dallas, Texas
    Maybe, but then will you sacrifice the motherboard not cooling as well?
  3. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    You are assuming that the person who did the device hardware layout did not understand thermal dynamics and that you can improve things by changing the air-flow.

    On modern devices that is usually a poor decision to make.
  4. doubtful based on those pics. Lots of open space and the CPU does have a heat sink. Just a thought if the drive produced a lot of extra heat.
  5. Loach

    Loach New Member

    Jan 11, 2013
    Omaha, NE
    Interesting. I didn't have to re-pair my Cox Omaha CC after doing my drive upgrade.
  6. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Nobody (at the time you posted this) knows. I've asked the same thing, and asked that upgraders who don't boot the factory drive do a full DVRBARS backup and send it over to the author of the program to look at.

    So far, nobody has even uttered a peep about doing so, or those posts. I'm still catching up on today's posts, so maybe I'll see something later.
  7. trip1eX

    trip1eX New Member

    Apr 2, 2005
    Good point but the reason is probably no different than someone who hoards tv shows they will never have the time to watch again.

    To give you some more choice on that rainy day.

    The difference is one guy isn't married to the content and knows he won't watch it all so he can delete it.

    The other guy is in denial.
  8. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

    Jan 20, 2004

    Yes, certainly there are hoarders in TiVo land too... thankfully I am not one of them.

    I know people who have downloaded terabytes of "free music" from the internet that they have never listened to and probably never will, but they refuse to get rid of it and they keep collecting more.

    If I like something enough to "keep it" then I want it in the best quality possible, which means buying the blu-ray set.
  9. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    He doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything more than posting and reposting what he already did, while waiting for his cable service and cablecard. I even suggested making a paperclip antenna, and setting it to OTA only, to test out it's full-functionality, but no responses on the matter. I think we'll have to wait for somebody who is willing to try what MANY keep asking and/or asking for.
  10. lessd

    lessd Active Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    If you take a cable card that is paired to a working TiVo, power down the TiVo, remove the cable and place it in another TiVo (or TV cable card slot) turn on the power, don't try to pair the card then power off the unit and put the card back into the original TiVo you will find that the data has changed and the card must be re-paired. This is how the Comcast system works for my area.
  11. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    Maybe you should re-read what you just wrote, because it seems that you are irritated that someone who has provided very valuable information isn't willing to run your experiments for you.

    If it's so damn important to you then consider offering a Paypal reward to cover someones time and risk to their unit to start doing these things and posting them here. Otherwise, just try patience.
  12. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

    Amen Brutha!
  13. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    I'm in Las Vegas. Cox here doesn't do as most other Cox markets do.

    In hindsight, I guess I should have included this in my original post.
  14. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    I am aware that you can't move the cards around. I'm talking about the same box, with the same card, and only the hard drive S/N changes.
  15. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    It's still a "kit" if it includes the drive and the screw driver. :)

    And as long as their "kits" aren't too expensive people might still buy them. Those torx screw drivers aren't always easy to find locally. I remember having a bear of a time finding one when I did a drive replacement on a S2 years ago. I think I ended up buying a complete set from Lowes for like $20. So if someone can get the drive and the tools for a reasonable price they might still go for it.
  16. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    $6.68 with free prime shipping.... but yes, you're right, some people will buy a "kit" instead.

    One area where Weaknees can justify it is they offer a warranty as well as technical support. Even though to most of us this is so easy it's laughable, most of us haven't talked to my in-laws. :)
  17. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    I'm not the only one who's asking the same questions, and hoping for some answers. Others have also asked for more from the person who gave us this valuable info.

    I'm holding-off on buying until I get those answers, and I'm sure they WILL come, just from somebody else willing to do more. Each person that is willing to take it further to answer these questions will be the new hero/superstar. If this same person had been willing to do it, they'd be godlike for a lot longer than they will be, by only answering one question.

    They answer, essentially, one question (more like an unknown). Now we know, but as in many things in life, a single answer often leads to more questions.

    I'm taking the high-road, and not posting what I'd really like to finish this post with, regarding your condescending tone/remarks.
  18. andyw715

    andyw715 Active Member

    Jul 31, 2007
    It's a kit bought from a "store", much less "scary" than buying a bare drive and hoping it works.
    The assumption is that weaknees has used the type of drive they sell and that it is known to work.

    Right now it appears that a 2 or 3 TB would work, but sooner or later there will be a list of drives not to use.
  19. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Try Harbor Freight Tools. They sell a kit that includes every bit and security bit ever made, with a driver handle, for $19.99, when at full price.

    Their tools generally are cheap, and break quickly if you try to use them for hard jobs, but you could upgrade TiVos (and most CE devices) for a lifetime, even with the low-quality materials they use to make them.

    They have multiple retail stores in my locale. They used to be mail-order only. Since they DO offer a LIFETIME warranty for all "hand tools", having retail stores makes it less risky buying something of low-quality.
  20. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    If Weaknees is smart they also pay a bit less for their drives than we do as they probably buy them in much larger lots.

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