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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 23, 2013 #261 of 3265
    monkeydust

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    Does the mini actually have a hard drive in it? If not, then everybody could have probably seen the likliehood of the HD upgrade scenario talked about in this thread.
     
  2. Aug 23, 2013 #262 of 3265
    vurbano

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    Try Amazon. But in all honesty I don't think there is enough of us DIYers for us to affect Tivo policy.
     
  3. Aug 23, 2013 #263 of 3265
    Hi8

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    not that I know of (seems too small to have anything more than a 2.5")... I assume it's an embedded OS. It does take some time to boot up.
     
  4. Aug 23, 2013 #264 of 3265
    davezatz

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    They are TiVo resellers, no spies needed. I assume TiVo figures they provide a value-add service that's win-win-win for WK, TiVo, and the customers.

    Right after they finish upgrading the SD Settings... ;) I don't think the hobbyist contingent is large enough to draw that sort of attention and suspect this could even be good for sales. I'm much more interested in an OTA Roamio now that I know I can do away with that meager 500GB drive for a mere $95.
     
  5. Aug 23, 2013 #265 of 3265
    bmgoodman

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    My anecdotal evidence matches yours exactly. Many more Seagate failures than Western Digital.
     
  6. Aug 23, 2013 #266 of 3265
    ncbill

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    What Sam B. & Dave Zatz said - too few units would be DIY upgraded to make a difference in overall sales.

    Retail resellers like Best Buy would also want the ability to offer drive upgrades.
     
  7. Aug 23, 2013 #267 of 3265
    BiloxiGeek

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    Drive anecdotes: Same here, I deal with a few hundred PC's and servers on the job, and over the years I've gravitated toward WD's over Seagate, they just seem more reliable.


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  8. Aug 23, 2013 #268 of 3265
    aaronwt

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    I've done the opposite. I used to use all WD drives then a few years ago I switched to using Seagate drives(I did buy one WD 3TB drive this year though). Although I've only used several dozen Seagate drives over the past few years compared to the couple hundred WD drives I've used, so far the Seagate Drives have been just as reliable.

    I did have one of the five 3TB Seagate drives I purchased recently show up with an issue, but I've had that happen before to WD drives as well. It doesn't happen very often but it is not unusual. As long as the issue shows up at the very beginning I'm fine with it. It's when there is a problem after the drive is put into service that would be bad.

    Although it sounds like this upgrade process won't work with a 4TB drive. So if I do go with the Plus and upgrade to a 3TB drive, I will use the WD AV drive instead of the Seagate AV drive. Since it is a little cheaper and has a longer warranty. But if someone does find out it works with a 4TB then I will use a Seagate drive. Although I don't even think WD has a 4TB AV drive?
     
  9. Aug 23, 2013 #269 of 3265
    bmgoodman

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    If the entire Tivo OS is *not* in flash, wouldn't installing a blank disk require you to go through some form of guided setup again? I suppose some people wouldn't mind doing that to have a collection of disks to swap in and out, but I'm thinking there would be few of those people. And most of those people are probably on this forum!

    On a related note, if anyone out there is game, how about unplugging the hard drive completely (to simulate total drive failure) and see how Roamio responds.
     
  10. Aug 23, 2013 #270 of 3265
    CrispyCritter

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    Put me in the camp that believes that TiVo isn't worried at all about us upgrading disk size on the Roamios. They never have been concerned about that, and I don't see any reason for that to change.

    As sbiller said, subscription numbers are much more important. I would guess that if 1 out of 5 disk upgraders wouldn't have bought the TiVo if they couldn't upgrade it, TiVo would regard upgrading as a net win for them!

    As I said, I don't think disk size upgrades have ever been a worry for TiVo. They have been paranoid about disk security, though. Understandable, in that they are betting the company on there not being an easy way to get copy-protected shows off the TiVo. If they couldn't fix that, they would lose their cablecard license and be out of business.

    I view the major reason for the architecture change of getting the OS off the hard disk as being security. It's much more demonstrably secure (to the cable companies) if you don't have to worry about someone plopping in a hacked OS variant via hard disk replacement. They still have to worry about network security, but it removes a major concern that they've had. The fact that it aids maintenance is a nice side benefit.
     
  11. Aug 23, 2013 #271 of 3265
    ggieseke

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    I wonder if the entire OS is in flash or just a beefed-up KS52. The fact that the screenshots showed an update in progress makes me think it may be the latter. Guess I won't know for sure until I get one, image it, and start experimenting.
     
  12. Aug 23, 2013 #272 of 3265
    steve614

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    My guess is that there is just enough software in the flash memory to get the DVR to the point of being able to access the network and internet where the DVR can then call the TiVo servers and download the complete OS onto the hard drive.
     
  13. Aug 23, 2013 #273 of 3265
    jrtroo

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    If I understand how this is working, the new units have a chip that either has a basic OS on it or instructions for the unit to reach out to momma tivo to download the software. Is that right?

    The pain in doing the above is that each drive, I assume, would need to be paired to the cc separately. If someone wanted to have an inventory of drives, the old method of copying a newly paired drive would be easier to manage, IMO.
     
  14. Aug 23, 2013 #274 of 3265
    ncbill

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    Either way I'd like to publicly thank Tivo for simplifying the process of drive replacement.

    Even if one buys the 3 year extended warranty the drive could easily fail just outside that 3 year period.

    If that happens it's nice knowing all one has to do is buy either the Seagate or WD "AV" model drive for an easy DIY repair.

    Versus having to pay $150 + shipping to send it back to Tivo in exchange for a refurb.

     
  15. Aug 23, 2013 #275 of 3265
    Millionaire2K

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    Agree 100%!!
     
  16. Aug 23, 2013 #276 of 3265
    vurbano

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    So who is going to be the first to market $300 dollar 3 TB plug and play Roamio upgrade drives? wow that sounds tempting. It will take the masses a while to figure it out.
     
  17. Aug 23, 2013 #277 of 3265
    TC25D

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    Anyone with the skill to install a 'Roamio Upgrade Drive' would also know they can buy the drive for $150 and do it themselves. :)
     
  18. Aug 23, 2013 #278 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    Not necessarily, I upgraded a couple drives for my parents by buying the upgrade drives. It was worth the extra cash not to have to haul their TiVos back and forth so I could copy the drive.
     
  19. Aug 23, 2013 #279 of 3265
    andyw715

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    Are these HDDs in the Roamios unformatted out of the box?


    As far as pluging the eSATA hole in S3, that was done in order to control the eSATA drive choice. Hard to provide support/warranty to the masses with that big of an unknown.
     
  20. Aug 23, 2013 #280 of 3265
    Aero 1

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    so wait, all you do is get a new drive, put it in and the tivo rebuilds it without any third party tools?!?!?! nice!
     

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