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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 23, 2013 #241 of 3265
    jmpage2

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    I know you guys are getting a great chortle out of dredging up war stories of 25 year old tech but its really really OT.
     
  2. Aug 23, 2013 #242 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    If it truly is just a matter of dropping in an unformatted drive, you wouldn't need it as backup. For restoring it to it's original state for warranty purposes possibly yes, but if TiVo wants to enforce the "letter of the law", it won't do any good as they know if you've ever had an upgraded drive installed.
     
  3. Aug 23, 2013 #243 of 3265
    series5orpremier

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    The ex-semiconductor supply side thermal engineer in me is concerned about putting that 3TB WD eurs drive in the small form factor base Roamio. That might end up causing some early hard drive fails due to thermal issues. I think that's my deciding factor that if I do an upgrade I'm sticking with the 2TB WD eurs.

    The Seagate 500 GB is rated at 3.4 W at read-write, 3.0 W idle, and 0.7 W sleeping; so I'm assuming that's a significant percentage of what the enclosure is capable of dissipating from the hard drive while keeping the hard drive within it's temp spec. The 2TB WD eurs' power numbers are 4.5 W/4.0 W/0.7 W read-write/idle/sleeping which doesn't sound too bad being about 1 W (33%) more the Seagate when in use. Hopefully they designed in a little thermal cushion. The 3TB WD eur however is 6.0 W/5.5 W/0.75 W which is about 2.5 W (76%-83%) more than the Seagate. OUCH.

    The glitch with Weaknees not putting a 4TB drive in there might very well be they realized with the small form factor cooling design they could burn up the drive. (The 4 TB Seagate is 7.5 W/5.0 W/0.75 W).
     
  4. Aug 23, 2013 #244 of 3265
    nooneuknow

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    That's all good if you only go with the standard warranty of 90 days.

    Then, there are those who get 3-4 year extended warranties (I'm not a member of the school of thought that embraces them as a means to increase the resale value of their TiVos).

    On occasion though, TiVo will offer you a refurb, sometimes even a model newer, if you are having certain types of problems, a year out of warranty, for a minimal price (like ~$150, w/lifetime service transfer). I'm sure they expect the original drive when you send your problem unit back. I've even heard of people getting offered deals like this on S3 vintage models, and they get a Premiere. Those people couldn't take the offer if they didn't have the original drive...

    There's always a potential downside...
     
  5. Aug 23, 2013 #245 of 3265
    nooneuknow

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    I'm sure if Dan203, the actual moderator. felt it was getting too far off, for too long, he'd say something. I don't answer to non-moderators.

    Sure it's a bit OT, but not "really really OT". We -are- talking about hard drive form factors.
     
  6. Aug 23, 2013 #246 of 3265
    ppartekim

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    Good reason to wait for someone else to try a 3-4TB drive before I jump.
     
  7. Aug 23, 2013 #247 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    If its sitting right beside a fan thats exhausting the hot air off the drive on one side, and the other side has cool air coming in thats flowing over the drive to cool it, wouldnt that be enough to cool the drive off?
     
  8. Aug 23, 2013 #248 of 3265
    nooneuknow

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    Does anybody know the rated output of the "wall-wart" style power supply, or the internal ones in the other two models? That needs to be a factor as well. As far as heat goes, one could always innovate up a heat sink to shunt away some heat to the case cover.
     
  9. Aug 23, 2013 #249 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    Why is why I wrote "(assuming I don't also get an extended warranty)"

    I've never gotten an extended warranty on a TiVo.

    They actually replaced an out warranty, non-lifetimed Premiere for me that had gotten fried by a lightning strike. Even sent me a prepaid shipping label.

    Did they actually want the S3's back or did they just add the TSN to a "cannot reactivate" list?

    Most options such as these have pros and cons and different risk/reward ratios.
     
  10. Aug 23, 2013 #250 of 3265
    steve614

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    This might be a problem with the base Roamio. Looks like the fan is situated in between the hard drive and the MB. Which way does it exhaust?
    If it exhausts toward the MB, running a hot hard drive could overheat the MB.
     
  11. Aug 23, 2013 #251 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    Heat dissipation problems are far less likely to be a consideration for a Plus upgrade considering that they have the same form factor as the Pro.
     
  12. Aug 23, 2013 #252 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    Its blowing out from the hard drive across the motherboard to the other side. So the heat is coming off the hard drive as you described and blowing on the motherboard.
     
  13. Aug 23, 2013 #253 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    I guess someone that upgrades their base model needs to report back on the inside temps.
     
  14. Aug 23, 2013 #254 of 3265
    lessd

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    I would like someone to try two different drives in the plus to see if the flash OS can handle the new drive SN, if this drive auto format works for more than the first drive than one could have two or more drives for the same plus TiVo, one could just make up an external drive box and fill up one drive than load another drive into the external box.
     
  15. Aug 23, 2013 #255 of 3265
    tivogurl

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    amseven11

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    Where can I check internal temperature?
     
  17. Aug 23, 2013 #257 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    Go to the system information screen where you looked at the hours, it will be there.
     
  18. Aug 23, 2013 #258 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    You will have to scroll down like 3 times with the channel down button, and you should see MBT: and a number, if its still the same like a Premiere, but it looks the same from what you posted.
     
  19. Aug 23, 2013 #259 of 3265
    amseven11

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    Ok cool it won't really do any good until I get cable installed and can record a bunch at once to really get the hard drive working.
     
  20. Aug 23, 2013 #260 of 3265
    Hi8

    Hi8 TiVoPro - wanabe!

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    must be just like the Mini ..

    a big Mini with a Hard Drive.
     

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