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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 23, 2013 #221 of 3265
    aaronwt

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    I was going to get it from BestBuy but their 4 year extended warranty prices are rather high. It's $80 for the Plus and I guess the Pro will be at least $100.

    Someone had mentioned that BestBuy sells the Amazon Kindle Gift cards and that they can be used to buy anything at Amazon. In my area Amazon will start charging taxes on 9/1. So I was thinking about getting the Kindle gift cards from Best buy, that way i can use my Reward Zone dollars and gift cards to purchase them. Then just purchase the Plus for $400, without taxes at Amazon, and also get a 3TB WD AV drive for $137 from Amazon.

    Or just get the pro for $63 more from Amazon and not have to worry about the warranty from TiVo being honored.
     
  2. Aug 23, 2013 #222 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    While the disk packs in the 844-21 were removable, they looked more like hat boxes than flying saucers.

    [​IMG]

    "CDC Model 881 Disk Packs are used with the 844-21
    Disk Storage Units. The 881 consists of a stack of eleven,
    14-inch diameter, magnetic recording disks. Nineteen
    surfaces are used for data recording and one is used for
    permanently-recorded positioning information."

    During "system time" at FSU (this was in the 70's), we would swap out one of the packs and take the rest of the drives off line to avoid screwing up the production data when testing system mods.

    Yeah, well I'm about to start drawing Social Security retirement. Early yes (turned 62 yesterday), but still...

    Not quite to the point of checking the obits to see if I'm in there though.
     
  3. Aug 23, 2013 #223 of 3265
    jmpage2

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    I don't know what this DYI is you keep referring to.

    Do you mean Do It Yourself...? That's DIY.
     
  4. Aug 23, 2013 #224 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    Based off the prices of receivers, it looks like $69 is the 4 year for the Plus and $89 is the 4 year for the Pro. You can see the Plus price since you can add it to cart, but I used a receiver for $599 to get the Pro price. I believe it is based off price now. I show $69 for the Plus at 4 years not $80 unless you included tax.

    Yes you can buy Kindle cards usually in $25 increments or so. Some stores do have the blank ones where you can create your own.

    Squaretrade is $69 for the Plus and $89 for the Pro, but they do have sales sometimes. Of course I don't know if they qualify for lifetime replacement.
     
  5. Aug 23, 2013 #225 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    Amazon is on a 1-2 days to process and ship so possibly. They don't keep a lot of stock on the drive though since they aren't the most popular.
     
  6. Aug 23, 2013 #226 of 3265
    jmpage2

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    This is all legitimate speculation on your part. My personal suspicion is that it will in fact work with any drive big enough to prep the image... regardless of if someone turns it on first or not.

    One thing's for sure, we will have an answer soon enough.

    Feeling pretty smug about my Plus purchase now. I don't need 3TB but 2TB might be kind of nice to have since it will only set me back $90.
     
  7. Aug 23, 2013 #227 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Great minds think alike (every now and then).

    We don't know what, if anything is on the drives that come in the Roamios.

    If nothing, then there's still the possibility that the drive's S/N is what is supposed to trigger what gets downloaded to it. Perhaps a S/N mismatch triggers something that wasn't meant to happen.

    Even if the drive is completely blank, they can still do a sector-by-sector raw copy, resulting in copying a lot of zeroes. So, if there's anything on it, they should still be able to copy it. The hard part is what to do once they have copied the original, to a larger target drive (particularly a 4TB one, which is what everybody and their uncle, wants). Same if they let the original boot, then go through the copy process. How to expand from there? That must be what they are working on. I highly doubt they haven't been selling/shipping drive kits, because they don't have the right size torx driver in stock... :rolleyes:
     
  8. Aug 23, 2013 #228 of 3265
    nooneuknow

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    I must be psychic. I foresaw this scenario a few pages of posts back...:rolleyes: :D
     
  9. Aug 23, 2013 #229 of 3265
    amseven11

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  10. Aug 23, 2013 #230 of 3265
    jmpage2

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    What's the difference between EUS WD drives and the AGP drives?
     
  11. Aug 23, 2013 #231 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    The AV-GP are the EURS drives.
     
  12. Aug 23, 2013 #232 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    You shouldn't have complained about someone using "DYI" as opposed "DIY" when you clearly ended a word with "ic" where "o" is more accurate. :D (I keed, I keed)
     
  13. Aug 23, 2013 #233 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    When comparing the price of a DIY upgrade of a Plus to a Pro, one should not forget to reduce the true cost of the upgrade by the value of the perfectly usable 1TB drive that you will be removing from the Plus.
     
  14. Aug 23, 2013 #234 of 3265
    unitron

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    Nowadays that additional know how consists of

    1. Make sure you're running version 11.0k or newer of the TiVo OS

    2. Using WinMFS, use mfscopy but when it finishes do not accept its offer to expand.

    3. Having previously selected the source drive, now select the target drive and click on mfsadd.

    Presto--2TB S3 drive.
     
  15. Aug 23, 2013 #235 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    And therein lies the rub (I think I said that right).

    If you buy from weaknees, they keep the original drive and can profit from selling it to somebody else. Do they then become the warranty service provider for you?

    If you keep the drive, you have a conundrum: If TiVo actually sticks to turning a blind-eye if you need a warranty repair/replace, and you've been running an upgrade, as long as you sneak the original drive back in, then you can't sell it, or make it an important part of something else. It gets to take up space somewhere "just in case...".

    I always hated leaving a stack of perfectly good original drives, doing nothing, "just in case...".
     
  16. Aug 23, 2013 #236 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    I am one of those who would keep the drive on hand as a backup so I don't consider it an extra drive.
     
  17. Aug 23, 2013 #237 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    While I don't figure it was your intent, I feel you've just proven my original point in the *complete*, unedited, original post you partially quoted from.
     
  18. Aug 23, 2013 #238 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Nah, you're just bummed I beat you to the punch on that particular post!

    :D JK JK
     
  19. Aug 23, 2013 #239 of 3265
    unitron

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    I assumed you were referring to the original additional know how from before 11.0k that meant either jmfs on the HD or HD XL (provided your source drive did not have an Apple Free partition anywhere raising the total number to 16), or something involving hex editing and partition coalescing.
     
  20. Aug 23, 2013 #240 of 3265
    lpwcomp

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    There is all that to consider. If I ever do buy one of these newfangled "Roamio Plus" thingies, I would prefer to hold off on any upgrade for at least 90 days (assuming I don't also get an extended warranty), which is why I'm hoping that there is some way of upgrading the drive while retaining existing recordings/settings.
     

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