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Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by amseven11, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Aug 22, 2013 #181 of 3265
    puffdaddy

    puffdaddy Member

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    Also, to state the obvious.

    As was pointed out elsewhere, the developers inadvertently left a kickstart code present on the s3 that allowed one to add any eSATA drive (not just the approved Western Digital ones). TiVo chose to leave that be (as the horse had already left the barn). They did close it later for the TiVoHD.

    Given that this aspect will torpedo their sales of the Pro model (which only differs in the size of the internal HD), I'd wager that tivo will push an update to units to close this. Folks would be wise to perform this drive upgrade as the very first action they take with a newly received unit, as after going through the Guided Setup, a unit will take a software upgrade, and that will write the new software to the Flash boot disk. For the Roamio/Series5 units, one you take an upgrade, there's no more "rolling" back the software (as was possible to do with the series4 and earlier hardware).

    Note that I'm speculating that tivo much roll out such an update. Speculating.

    (though reasonable speculation given how much revenue they may stand to lose).
     
  2. Aug 22, 2013 #182 of 3265
    amseven11

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    No unfortunately not, Where I am in GA I never got into OTA because I would only get like 2 stations, both local. Charter put a rush on my new drop install so I'm hoping next week everything can get installed.
     
  3. Aug 22, 2013 #183 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Did you think I wouldn't follow the link? It's you, in the post, WONDERING if it may be possible. You, NOT observing it actually happen and looking for another with the same results for confirmation that it FULLY WORKS WITHOUT ANY ISSUES.

    Plenty have been asking the same thing: Why doesn't TiVo do it this way?

    It's been an idea, wondered about, compared to other devices, by other manufacturers, largely dismissed with "never going to happen".

    I don't feel you speculating something that just happens to seem to have materialized, lowering the possibility of it being a hoax, nor at minimum an INCOMPLETE assessment of if it will work. No cable to hook up, didn't try using an antenna, can't even verify it will record on even one tuner, or that the drive won't flake-out when full.
     
  4. Aug 22, 2013 #184 of 3265
    MeInDallas

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    Understandable. I'm lucky I can get them all here with a strong signal, I know a lot of people cant though. I have cable but I'd like to have that entry level for the OTA channels, then maybe later get one of the 6 tuner ones.
     
  5. Aug 22, 2013 #185 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    Of course if the Pro was more reasonable like $499-$549 then it wouldn't even be a question since it would be the same price as someone who updated on their own.

    Also people who buy Pluses due to the price difference might wait to upgrade the drive space but they definitely wouldn't sell the Plus just to buy a Pro or at least very few would.
     
  6. Aug 22, 2013 #186 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    That's THE ONE I was talking about in an earlier post in this thread, with the huge single platter "disk packs" that came in flying-saucer shaped cases. I was in charge of swapping out one per day, known as the "scratch pack".

    Boy, do I feel old!
     
  7. Aug 22, 2013 #187 of 3265
    vurbano

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    Just tried RoamioTivos coupon and it isn't working. Is there a different one?
     
  8. Aug 22, 2013 #188 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    But, you aren't saying I'm completely wrong, right? Many never even knew about it (it was a TiVo mistake, and you weren't supposed to know).
     
  9. Aug 22, 2013 #189 of 3265
    astrohip

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    So I'm thinking one could fill a hard drive, pull it out, put a blank one in, lather, rinse, repeat. Swap drives anytime you wanted.

    Yeah, it's a PITA to do, but could be done?

    I think the number of TiVo buyers is 100's of times bigger than forum readers. I know 4 people personally that have TiVos. Not a one read any of the TCF forum.

    Doesn't mean TiVo won't do something, just that the number of people who will know about this is probably in the mid three figures, maybe low four. Versus the tens of thousands they hope to sell.
     
  10. Aug 22, 2013 #190 of 3265
    puffdaddy

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    Fair enough.

    You probably aren't privy to what I am.

    So while I could share that my prior speculation was founded upon a detailed inspection of the new disk initialization process, that probably wouldn't give you any more confidence.

    I could further elaborate, giving details of how the software internals between the base, plus, and pro are identical in the aspect of disk initialization. Perhaps even noting that the same pieces of software that build the filesystem on an externally married drive are employed to initialize a new disk. But that wouldn't provide you with the confirmation you're looking for.

    We can collectively hang back until the public, empirical evidence is enough for you.
     
  11. Aug 22, 2013 #191 of 3265
    amseven11

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    I highly doubt they will do anything about it. if anything it will increase sales. Remember just because you can add a 2TB drive to the entry level one it still has only 4 tuners instead of 6, so no matter the case there is still incentive to buy the mid level box if you need more tuners.
     
  12. Aug 22, 2013 #192 of 3265
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The coupons are....

    ROAMIO
    ROAMIOPLUS
    ROAMIOPRO

    all caps and matched to the model you're buying. The values are $10, $25 and $40 respectively.
     
  13. Aug 22, 2013 #193 of 3265
    puffdaddy

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    Yes, I believe you can do this. However, if you swap in an "older" data drive (and have since taken an upgrade), you'll have to wait for the data drive to be upgraded (though that tends to be much quicker with so much more of the data in SQLite and not MFS). But this should work.

    Fair point. The classic egocentric fallacy. Time will tell.
     
  14. Aug 22, 2013 #194 of 3265
    Goober96

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    Any idea how long these codes are good?
     
  15. Aug 22, 2013 #195 of 3265
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Fair enough. I'm cool with that. :cool:
     
  16. Aug 22, 2013 #196 of 3265
    puffdaddy

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    It was the plus/pro I was thinking of.. Why buy the $600 flagship unit when you can get the $400 one and throw in a 2TB or 3TB drive.

    But as astrohip pointed out, the unwashed masses probably wouldn't know any better.

    It will be interesting to see how tivo reacts.
     
  17. Aug 22, 2013 #197 of 3265
    innocentfreak

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    So do you think TiVo could block this for retail customers while still allowing MSOs to utilize the feature?

    I am trying to see the advantage of blocking it from TiVo side. Denying warranty claims seems the easier way to go. TiVo doesn't sell drive upgrades so they aren't losing the sale there. I doubt they expected to sell many Pros over the Plus model.

    TiVo had to know this would get out there since I think it is the first thing anyone checks.
     
  18. Aug 22, 2013 #198 of 3265
    Series3Sub

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    I think Weeknees knew all about this (they must have spies in Alviso), probably from the start, but are keeping mum for now, and clearly see the 4TB as the upgrade that can stem the loss of some business. They are probably working like crazy to get 4TB to work.
     
  19. Aug 22, 2013 #199 of 3265
    jmpage2

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    There's another option. The 2TB option that puts you into double the plus capacity for about $90.

    I also agree that while lots of forum members might go this route, they are a pretty small subset of TiVo customers.

    I don't see TiVo doing anything as inane and punitive as logging "warranty violations".
     
  20. Aug 22, 2013 #200 of 3265
    vurbano

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    Got it. Actually I ordered the plus standard unit for 375.00 and with a 135 dollar WD30 av gp drive that's 500 dollars for an equivalent 560 dollar Pro unit. A savings of 60 dollars.
     

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