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Hard drive constanly thrashing

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by videobruce, Apr 29, 2013.

  1. videobruce

    videobruce OTA is still alive

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    "SWAG"?? :confused:

    I did do a soft re-boot and it stopped the activity (for now) as it did with the power cycle.

    This deck is less than two years old, so caps are not any issue.
     
  2. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    John's...
    SWAG = Scientific Wild A$$ Guess.

    The 652 was last manufactured in 2008.
     
  3. videobruce

    videobruce OTA is still alive

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    The label shows: "15-Dec-10" on this DVR and
    "11-Nov-09" on the other, though the 9 could be a 8, but if it is, it's a lousy '8'. The date on the original 160GB drive is "10 Sept 2009"

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  4. BobCamp1

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    You cannot defeat it, you can only work around it. Since there are no tools that realign APM, you can't even work around it with a Tivo. I don't think it would cause THAT much chatter, though, since the double writes are occurring on the same or adjacent sectors. It would just be a performance hit.

    Pull the drive and set the acoustic management to "quiet". Personally I think your drive and Tivo are just fine.
     
  5. MeInDallas

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    Newer hard drive models from Western Digital no longer have AAM settings on them. The only drives left you can buy that have it are the WD20EURS and the WD10EURS. I think the Tivo is fine myself. I think what he is hearing is that little "extra" seek noise he is getting, because without AAM settings the drive is permanently stuck in "performance" mode.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_acoustic_management
     
  6. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    It's still worthwhile to check the caps on on the PS. The problem isn't how long it's been in operation, but the capacitors that were used. There were a lot of bad ones used in electronics during that time. See this Wiki article.
     
  7. BobCamp1

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    Oops, forgot WD and Seagate removed them due to patent issues.

    If the hard drive is that noisy and it bothers him, he should just return it and get a different model.
     
  8. MeInDallas

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    I got one of the Premiere 4's and it came with one of the new WD5000AVDS models in it. I noticed the seek noise was a bit more. When I took it out and saw the model number it made sense. I replaced it with the WD20EURS and now its totally silent even with 4 streams thrown at it, while watching a 5th.
     
  9. videobruce

    videobruce OTA is still alive

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    Yes.

    When I did the imaging, I attempted to set it to quite, but I received a message that it wasn't possible. I now see why. Nice of WD not to tell anyone. :mad:

    Isn't jumping pins 7 & 8 suppose to 'fix' this? :confused:

    I suppose this won't help since imaging to a new HDD would wipe this reformatting out?;
    http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers...vLzEvdGltZS8xMzY3NDk2MjEyL3NpZC9RKlFXbWFwbA==

    But would this solve the problem?;
    http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers...sion/L3RpbWUvMTM2NzQ5NTkyOC9zaWQvX3YzX2xhcGw=
     

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  10. videobruce

    videobruce OTA is still alive

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    Update; I listed the wrong drive model. I just got around opening up the case, the drive that is installed is a AV-GP model, not a Desktop-GP version.
    WD10EVVS is what has been in the deck.
    As far as the 'thrashing', it has been relatively quite, with only sort periods of time when it is active since the last re-boot (which was #3).

    There is no jumper on that drive.
     
  11. shamilian

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    Did you remember to turn off / change the time on the intellipark setting ?
    The disk may be parking the arm every few seconds...
     
  12. videobruce

    videobruce OTA is still alive

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    Yes, I'm going to run some diagnostic tests on the drive outside of Windows.
     
  13. BobCamp1

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    No, and the jumper only for Windows XP. It just silently bumps up the LBA addressing by one. Windows XP defaults to start on sector 63, so adding 1 gets you 64 which is divisible by 8, which properly aligns the Windows XP partitions for advanced format drives. This jumper trick only works for Windows XP, not for anything else. You can't disable advanced formatting -- it's how the drive was constructed (for lack of a better word).

    Besides, advanced format does NOT make the drive noisier, just slower. I'm pretty sure your drive is working as expected. Nothing you do short of replacing the hard drive with a different model will fix it.
     
  14. videobruce

    videobruce OTA is still alive

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    I have also read that this might just work for the 1st partition on those drives when used for XP. Since this is a AV drive, that isn't the issue.

    I ran WD's Lifeguard diagnostic utility, it passed the short test, but I couldn't even start the long test. It returned an error (0162 the 1st try & 0135 the 2nd try) as soon as I tried to start the long test. I tried a few other programs and they returned no errors.
    I contacted WD, they issues a RMA for the drive (2 year old).
    I won't know until I get the replacement, but I believe WD's program can't read TiVo's proprietary file system since the other programs did, but I won''t know for sure until I get the replacement.

    It's not the noise that was the problem, it's the constant activity.
     
  15. videobruce

    videobruce OTA is still alive

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    I received one of those damn "My Book AV" 'things' with a WD10EVDS drive for the exchange. This was "Recertified in Malaysia" no less. :rolleyes:
    I'll do what I did with the original, open the case, remove the drive and save the interface board and toss that stupid case.
     

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