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Good Bye TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Joey Bagadonuts, May 25, 2013.

  1. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    A good 2 cents at that, I could spend a lot more space putting together a lot more stuff, but I was just pointing out that any TiVo to cable co DVR comparisons is not simple or easy to do as different users/families all have different amount of expertise and needs.
     
  2. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Precisely. Not everyone needs or wants the extra features, expense, or maintenance required with owning your own DVR. Cableco DVRs fill a consumer niche the same way that Tivos and HTPCs do. Just about everyone here would not fall into that same category, but you have to realize it exists.
     
  3. Bigg

    Bigg Active Member

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    Unfortunately, the cable companies, like cell phone companies, want the hardware to be owned by them end to end, partly because of idiot consumers who can't troubleshoot and maintain their own equipment, and partly because of the profit involved. In a perfect world, the cable company wouldn't be allowed to sell user equipment, so the market would be fully decoupled, and thus easy to compete in. Same for the cell phone manufacturers. But unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world.
     
  4. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Ellicott...
    I'm laughing too hard at the moment to make any comments. :rolleyes:
     
  5. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    You think like some wall street person is an idiot because he makes over a Mill /year and does not want to use his time to troubleshoot and maintain his/her own equipment, give me a break
     
  6. weaver

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    I don't assume that some Wall Street person making over a million dollars a year is an idiot, I assume he is a criminal.
     
  7. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    My cousin has one kid on wall St. making that kind of money, now I have to spoil his day telling him his kid is a criminal (and he was such a nice boy), I think I will wait until after father's day.

    It better to be an idiot or criminal ??
     
  8. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Substitute criminal for money-shuffler that contributes nothing useful other than liquidity then.
     
  9. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    San...
    It is hard to say, but then so many are both. The idiot part may not in every case be true. The criminal part is, although our legal system is so massively screwed up it is in general not possible to try or convict criminals. There is no way any human being can earn a million dollars a year. It is simply not physically possible to work 50 times harder and longer than someone earning $20,000 a year. The remainder is blatantly stolen, taken by persons for no other reason than being who they are, which is among other things in control of the purse strings. What's more, being on Wall St. automatically makes him part of a criminal conspiracy, even if he were only to take a $1 salary.

    As to being "nice", it seems unlikely he would ever get mixed up in that den of thieves if he actually were.
     
  10. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    First of all, I am not sure that is actually true. I'm not familiar with smart phone processors, so I cannot categorically state it to be false, but while the TiVo systems are not overburdened with resources, their CPUs are fairly powerful, given their cost. The CPUs in my S3 certainly out-performed any single core CPU I have ever had in any of my desktop PCs, and gave a pretty good run for the money a number of the dual core CPUs I have had. Of course, they don't compare to the 6 and 8 core monsters a number of my PCs have in them, but then neither does a smart phone.

    The real point here, however, is DVRs do not need radical central processors, especially not when they can sport dedicated RISC processors that do the job far more effectively and efficiently, for less cost to the consumer.

    Well, I see your point. I'm certainly not impressed with post count alone, especially not when it comes from thousands of posts in the off-topic areas consisting of fewer than 100 words on average.
     
  11. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    San...
    Which means your WMC tuners DO have the problem. TiVo assigns every recording its own tuner, just like WMC does. You just don't care becasue you have spent a fairly large amount of money to purchase an ungodly number of tuners just to make sure you don't have to be bothered with conflicts.

    That makes it worse, not better.

    I suspect it may be a patent issue. It's possible it was a performance issue. That, or like me, I suppose it is possible the engineers at TiVo just don't really care too very much about the issue.
     
  12. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    WMC doesn't truncate recordings on back-to-back shows like a Tivo does. If I schedule a recording in WMC with no padding then the first recording ends at the specified time and the next one begins. I choose to pad recordings to compensate for any slight drift in the PC clock as well as scheduling glitches or overruns due to unexpected schedule changes from the broadcaster.

    As far as spending an "ungodly amount of money" on tuners, my overall cost is less than a comparable number of Tivos with even fewer tuners. The beauty of owning a HTPC is that increasing the number of tuners is dirt cheap compared to buying additional Tivos. I've got two Ceton InfiniTV4's and a HDHomeRun Prime for a total of eleven available cablecard tuners.

    The HDHR tuners are there simply due to the fact that they're connected to my home network and WMC sees them automatically when scanning for tuners during setup. They're actually used by other HTPCs on the network and I have them configured at the bottom of each channel's priority list in WMC on my primary HTPC so they likely never get used to record programs on that PC.

    Of the remaining eight cablecard tuners, I have actually seen as many as six of them in use simultaneously so it's not as extravagant as you make it out to be. I paid $399 for my original InfiniTV4 and the 2nd one only cost about $150 on sale so it was hardly an ungodly amount. FWIW, the $399 I paid for my first InfiniTV4 was one of the best purchases I've ever made for my home theater setup. I'm rarely a first adopter of any new technology, but I couldn't wait to get my hands on one of these tuners. I have to say that I was not disappointed. Six cablecard tuners is my sweet spot, but I wanted to use internal tuners rather than networked tuners so my only option was to get two InfiniTV4's. I may have to swap out the two InfiniTV4's for a PCI-e version of the new InfiniTV6 when it gets released,
     
  13. weaver

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    The DirecTV DVR can overlap recordings on a channel, even by an hour or more, and still use only one tuner. So, yeah, you still DO have that problem.
     
  14. lpwcomp

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    Much as I would like to see this implemented on TiVos, there's no way in H E double hockey-sticks that I would want the current crop of TiVo s/w developers doing it! :eek:
     
  15. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Ellicott...
    I had to go back and refresh my memory as to what you're talking about. I really don't understand the issue or see it as a problem. If I set up a recording for a program and extend the recording time so it overlaps the next time slot and I also schedule a recording on the same channel in that 2nd time slot it would seem logical that two separate tuners should be employed. The DVR should see this as two separate and distinct recordings and should assign separate tuners to each recording. This is exactly the way I'd want the two programs recorded, not as a single combined recording using only one tuner. If this isn't what you're referring to then kindly explain what it is you're going on about. It sounds like you're trying to create a problem where none exists.
     
  16. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    The recordings are still separate. The overlapping period is just in both recordings.
     
  17. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Ellicott...
    That's what occurs with WMC and separate tuners. Are you saying that you get separate recordings with overlap using a single tuner? If so, that's a pretty slick feature. However, the vast majority of my consecutive recordings tend to occur on different channels so I'd still require separate tuners for each program being recorded. I might have a couple of shows that I record on any given night that occur on the same channel in back-to-back time slots, but they're generally few and far between. The feature you speak of would free up a tuner once in a while, but I'd still need a minimum of 5 or 6 cablecard tuners for all of the shows I record. I also have six ATSC tuners that I use for local channels, but the same premise applies.
     
  18. weaver

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    Yes, it's done with a single tuner. It really is only an issue for me on NFL Sundays. (An issue with TiVo, that is).
     
  19. Langree

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    The difference is, one is a fault be design, the other only happens by accident.

    So your statement is silly.

    A phone should not NEED a bumper or a case to function correctly. If you'll recall after the news broke Apple did offer bumpers to i4 owners, to correct the issues.
     
  20. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I resemble that remark. I initially had a case on my 4S but after about a year I got sick of the bulk it added so I took it off. I've been carrying it around caseless for about 7 months now. Saturday I dropped it for the first time ever. (even when I had a case) Luckily it just got a little ding on one corner and didn't crack the glass. However I'm still kicking myself for not having a case. :(
     

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