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Good Bye TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Joey Bagadonuts, May 25, 2013.

  1. Jun 6, 2013 #121 of 189
    mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Again with the menus. So now you're bashing the Tivos you raved about in the Ceton InfiniTV thread? Apparently there is no DVR on the market that will satisfy you. You just can't make up your mind what to hate. :rolleyes:

    Then you should go back and get your HTPC working because there are absolutely no workarounds required (at least for those of us that know how to install Windows and tuners).
     
  2. Jun 6, 2013 #122 of 189
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    As I recall it, the original design released to the public DIDN'T HAVE A PROTECTIVE CASE, or any form of edge/side guard/bumper, so the antenna was exposed. Then, companies started selling them, while the iPeople whined that they should be provided to them for free. I stopped reading any further developments past that point. I only own dumb-phones, anyway.

    It's hilarious that you felt compelled to jump in. You must be an iPerson.

    Now, cuss, swear, or correct me all you like, that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it. I really only care about TiVos & technology that I actually own or use.
     
  3. Jun 6, 2013 #123 of 189
    shwru980r

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    My main complaint with Tivo is that it needs to use two tuners for back to back programs on the same channel when the first program is set to record longer and overlaps the second program.
     
  4. Jun 6, 2013 #124 of 189
    weaver

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    That's the first thing I noticed when I came back to TiVo from the DirecTV DVRs. The DirecTV DVRs don't have that problem.
     
  5. Jun 7, 2013 #125 of 189
    mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Neither do my tuners with Windows Media Center. ;) Every recording gets its own tuner. I've set up the tuner priorities for each channel I record so that it polls the ones I specify first and then checks them in order of availability. If the 1st tuner is in use then it skips to the next one in the list until it finds one that's available.

    I can't recall if I was able to work around this on my Tivos by padding both recordings. IIRC, I had two S3 Tivos and I would generally schedule back-to-back recordings on the same channel on separate Tivos to avoid the overlap problem. I'm surprised that Tivo hasn't fixed such an obvious problem.
     
  6. Jun 7, 2013 #126 of 189
    m_jonis

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    There are known issues with the Premier 4 and the tuners that Tivo put in them giving "black" channels. There's two threads ongoing in the Premiere forums currently.

    I myself, have this happening ONLY on my Premiere XL4s for months, and have to call Tivo every 2 months to get a credit (although that doesn't outweigh the amount I have to spend on Amazon to download because Tivo STILL doesn't have an Amazon Prime app support yet).

    So it's quite possible this is a Tivo issue.

    Also possible it's an SDV issue with the stupid tuning adapter and Tivo's partially to blame for that with their last comments to the FCC about how all was fine and honkey-dory and no issues with the Tuning Adapters at all, yet you see here in the Tivo forums that there are constant issues with them.
     
  7. Bigg

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    There is no perfect system out there. TiVo has a lot of issues, but it's the best on the market, and the only one that's really workable.

    The only way you could reproduce it was to take it's case off and do it in a test type of environment. Anyone who is actually using an iPhone without a case in the real world is a blathering idiot, and the spiderweb-cracked screen will probably be a lot worse than the reception problems.

    EDIT: Combine posts.
     
  8. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    Perfection is perception. What's perfect for some may be a POS for others. It all boils down to personal preference and what you expect out of your DVR. If I still felt Tivo was the best on the market I'd still be using it. It's a great DVR, and possibly the best commercial DVR available. There are other options available for the DIY sector that do much more than a Tivo ever could.

    How is Tivo the only "workable" system? It may be the only workable solution for you since it's clear you can't get a HTPC to work properly, but it's certainly not the only solution for many of us. HTPCs are far more flexible than any model Tivo out there, past or present. You've just got to know what to do with them. ;)
     
  9. BobCamp1

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    Wow! The original iPhone4 did NOT come with any case whatsoever! It was only AFTER everybody complained that Apple started to (reluctantly) ship the phones with a free case. That only lasted three months -- then you had to REQUEST the free case. Then there were class-action lawsuits, now Apple is giving everybody $15 or a free case if they didn't originally request a case.

    It's tough to argue with people who can't remember what happened three years ago.
     
  10. Grakthis

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    It's also funny because if it ONLY happened in a "test environment" then how did it even become a thing in the first place? Oh, I know, it was because it happened to people and they complained about it.
     
  11. Bigg

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    Switching between HD and SD menus, for example, is not a perfect product. Lack of DTA, lack of HD/SD channel management, etc, is not a perfect product.

    It's the only system out there for cable that works, work reliably, and is easy to use. DirecTV has their system, which, from what I hear, is also very good.

    Anyone who didn't have a case on their iPhone 4 was an idiot, and no, Apple doesn't provide the requisite case for an iPhone. The spiderweb cracking that you will get on the phone if you don't have it in a case is a whole lot worse than the antenna issue.
     
  12. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    You sure do like your absolutes, just as much as you like being wrong I guess.
     
  13. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Yeah, with his every post, he's completely discredited his comparison to perfection existing in smartphones, as he feels it should also exist in DVRs.

    Or, maybe I'm just supposed to buy a protective case for my TiVo, and all my problems will be solved. :D My post about that "I must be holding my TiVo wrong" that started this whole mess was a joke, for crying out loud. It was good old satire, and wasn't even aimed at anybody, directly.

    I do find it pathetic, that by the time the Premiere hit the market, there were smartphones with much more processing power, than the Premiere itself.

    Can't we all just get along? Never mind, stupid question, considering the state of these forums, and people with over 10,000 posts, who never, once, have posted anything productive, or helpful. There's a few left that don't fit that mold, but they're a dying breed on here...
     
  14. mr.unnatural

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    Umm, no it's not, at least not for most of us. That's just your opinion and couldn't be further from actual fact.

    Case in point: my brother-in-law is fairly tech savvy, yet he chose to go with a Verizon DVR vs. a Tivo or a HTPC and he's perfectly content with it. AFAIK, he's never had any issues with it or missed any recordings. It certainly wouldn't be my choice of DVR, but it's convenient for him and one less thing he has to worry about. If it dies he only has to swap it out for another one.
     
  15. BobCamp1

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    I'm very tech-savvy, and I have a Verizon DVR myself. Works great, all the menus are in HD, no sluggishness, cheap multiroom feature, can add any eSATA drive you want. If it dies, I transfer my DVR settings to the cloud, get a new one for free, then transfer them back. The only thing I miss from Tivo is the Wishlist/keyword recording feature.
     
  16. Bigg

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    None of the cable-provided DVRs are too hot. Serviceable, maybe, but not great.

    Cheap? Free? I don't think so. They charge an arm and a leg, and over 48 months, it's likely more expensive than TiVo.
     
  17. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Active Member

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    I'm not trying to promote cableco DVRs. I'm just pointing out that they're more than adequate for some people. I'm still trying to figure out why you own one since they all seem to annoy you in some way or another. :rolleyes:

    I think your math is more than just a bit off. Verizon charges $16.99 per month for their HD DVR. A Tivo Premiere costs $14.99 per month plus the initial cost of the DVR ($99, IIRC) with a one-year commitment. At $2 difference in cost it will take you 50 months just to break even, and that's assuming the Tivo doesn't die somewhere along the way, which will probably set you back another $150 for a refurbished replacement.

    With no Tivo commitment, you pay full retail price for the DVR plus $19.99 per month. Lifetime service now costs $499. Tivo just keeps jacking up the prices for their service, which is the main reason I switched to HTPCs. The fact that mine are as reliable as a Tivo just makes it all that much sweeter. :D

    I think I paid $99 for my lifetime service and probably would buy it at $199, but $499 is just insane. I'm amazed they can still stay in business at these prices. Tivo's not only charging an arm and a leg, but they want you to throw in your first-born along with it. :eek:

    Here's the excerpt from the Tivo website for your edification:

     
  18. Bigg

    Bigg Active Member

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    I'll give you adequate, not good by any stretch of the imagination. I have to have something. TiVo is the best/least bad option out there. It fundamentally is a good device, it just has a lot of unfinished bits and pieces to it that need to be dealt with.

    Comcast charges $17/mo for their DVR. TiVo costs $650, and has no monthly fees. 38 months, and the amortized monthly cost goes below $17. The math works out for the TP4 with Minis as well compared to Comcast's $17/mo DVR, $3/mo whole home fee, and $10/mo for each additional box.

    The "service" charge is annoying, but when you step back and realize that TiVo is just shifting the cost around to places it doesn't really belong, it's not so bad. They really should just advertise the box as being $650, but the problem is too many stupid Americans would freak out, so they have to hide the costs, and make monthly subscriptions that anyone with basic math skills can figure out are a total rip-off in order to pad their investor reports for Wall Street's absurd accounting system.
     
  19. lessd

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    I not going to take these other things into account but one must if your going to make a cost comparison

    1) The resale value of a Lifetime TiVo
    2) The ability to upgrade the hard drive
    3) the free in-home service included with the cable co. DVR cost

    There is no single answer to the DVR, that why TiVo is the only independent DVR maker in the market (I am not counting any PC DVR as a product).
     
  20. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    You may want to add:
    4) The ability to possibly recover your recordings, or the whole shebang, under certain circumstances, as well as new backup tools being available(which you can't do with cableco DVRs).
    5) Losing all of 1,2,&4 but getting a free replacement device, when using a cableco DVR, at no cost, if any part of it fails.

    ...and possibly edit #3, because it's a bit murky (But, I think you mean equipment replacement/service calls, like I spelled out in your #5).

    I'm agreeing with you, just adding my 2 cents...
     

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