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Glee "Goodbye" 5/22/12

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Neenahboy, May 23, 2012.

  1. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Active Member

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    How about being bold and actually staying in high school and use new characters. Doesn't mean the gone ones can't show up. Just less of them. Like real life.
     
  2. alpacaboy

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    As I was watching, the thing that got me was I was thinking was "Chang... Puckerman... Hummel... Hudson... Berry..." Traditionally, don't most graduation ceremonies go in alphabetical order?
     
  3. jsmeeker

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

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    It's pretty hard to pull off. People generally like the TV shows for the characters. Lose all the characters, and the appeal goes away.

    But there are exceptions. Friday Night Lights did it well. Of course, that show really wasn't about the kids so much. And by that time, the show had a fairly unusual arrangement in the way it was aired.
     
  4. sushikitten

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    Ours diidn't. We picked who we wanted to walk with. Top 10 (and walking partners) were first.
     
  5. jsmeeker

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

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    My high school graduation had people in alphabetical order. In college, it was any order you wanted.
     
  6. sushikitten

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    In college, we handed our name to the presenter and he read it.
     
  7. Neenahboy

    Neenahboy Statistical outlier TCF Club

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    Yep, and I imagine the larger HS classes would do it that way too. It would make sense, then, that the glee kids all came up together.
     
  8. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

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    I just watched this. In fact, I just watched most of the second half of the season, in a mini-marathon. (A few pre-finale spoilers are below before I comment on the finale episode in the last two paragraphs.)

    I quit Glee somewhere around the 1/3 mark of the season this year. I really liked the first season in spite of the show giving in to some of its worst instincts from time to time (fake pregnancy, Sue growing ever more cartoony, etc.). I tolerated the second season even as those bad instincts overwhelmed the show most of the time (too many tribute episodes, needless guest stars, way too much Sue, and complete lack of characterization). This season started with more of the same, and it was just too much. I couldn't even enjoy the music anymore. So I stopped watching, but didn't kill the SP.

    Without much to watch this week, I queued up the first of the saved episodes. I had to delete a few along the way for space reasons, so I missed developments like Sue running for office (and I guess losing to Mr. Hummel?), and the introduction of the swim coach character, among other things. Somehow I made it through the first two or three episodes I had saved, which seemed as directionless as I remembered the show having become. (I fast-forwarded through more than a little.) The Ricky Martin episode, for example, was intolerable. Another guest star for no reason, and a great example of how little respect the show has for its characters (Mr. Shue the Spanish teacher doesn't know a lick of Spanish, really? And is so shameless that he shows up to a sing-off in full mariachi regalia? Please). Still, there seemed to be seeds of improvement. Sue actually seemed to exist in the same world as the other characters. The backstabbing and betrayals among the Glee club members, who actually had achieved a lot together and should have been well past all of that a season or more ago, actually did seem to have subsided, and so on.

    So I was happy to find that the last half-dozen episodes built on those developments and were, generally, excellent. There were still problems -- Lindsay Lohan and Perez Hilton? gag -- but these were generally minimal. Some of the specific storylines were quite good, for example Coach Beiste's domestic issues and the friendship she developed with Puck as a result. I really appreciated that the show finally allowed the Glee club to become a tight-knit group unafraid to call themselves friends, and where it was obvious that we were done (for now, anyway) with plot constructions to blow the group up from within. The show finally felt like it was about the sense of inclusiveness that it talks about a lot but doesn't always show. The prom episode was silly but a lot of fun. Kurt's and Rachel's NYADA audition episode played out in a slightly unexpected, but believable, way. Sue became a character it was fun to have around again. (Stroke of genius to give her an enemy other than Will and -- OK, this was a stretch -- make her pregnant, which allowed them to soften her character and bring her back to some semblance of reality. It was nice to see her act like an educator and actually root for the kids.) And there were any number of terrific performance sequences throughout. I cringed at the choice of "Paradise by the Dashboard Light" as ND's "vintage" selection at Nationals, but doggone it if it wasn't fantastic. And it was fun to see the group win, even if it were an entirely inevitable development. Plus, lots of chances for Lea Michele to belt songs out to the rafters.

    Which brings me to the finale. Earlier this year I would have expected an episode like this to flop, because it seemed the show had squandered any affection we could have felt for the characters by treating them so badly for so long. The emotion the episode had on screen wouldn't have felt earned. But the runup to the ep was generally so good that the whole thing felt genuine, and I was indeed sorry to see many of these characters (apparently) go. And I have to agree with Time critic James Poniewozik that the scene in the car between Rachel and Finn may be the best thing the show has ever done. It was written and played so beautifully that it almost felt like I was watching another show. I guess some people here were not fans of that development, but to me it felt inevitable. Directionless young men like Finn do join the army all the time (and in Finn's case, he has the extra motivation of trying to live out his dad's legacy there). And of course Rachel was going to end up in New York. If there was one thing even more inevitable than ND winning Nationals this season, it was that the season would end with Rachel walking the streets of Broadway in song. The last ten minutes of the finale, starting with the car scene, through the singing goodbye to the group on the train platform, to Finn sliding out of sight as the train pulls away, to Rachel tearfully and then optimistically belting out her song as she lands in New York, were just great. The show at its best.

    Next season obviously will be very different than this year, but I'm back in. Here's hoping it can come back as well as it went out this season, knowing and embracing its strengths and keeping its weaknesses in check.
     
  9. TonyD79

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    Glad you gave the show another chance. The reality is that most shows have their ups and downs. What is silly to one viewer is way cool to another. A lot depends on expectations and mood of the viewer.

    To me, the show never lost its way. It meandered a bit with some stories but that is the nature of series versus mini-series. The latter get to focus on story arc. The first cannot or they exhaust the arc too soon.
     
  10. LoadStar

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    As did ours, but they still had us line up in alphabetical order. The pronunciation cards had our (non-phonetic) names pre-printed on them, with a number indicating what order you were to line up in.

    I would think it would sound somewhat odd to hear them in non-alphabetical order. Also, the programs generally also list the names in alphabetical order, and people follow along to see when to expect their particular graduate will cross the stage.
     
  11. That Don Guy

    That Don Guy Now with more GB

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    Three words: The White Shadow. Didn't the original Beverly Hills 90210 have one character age four years while the others aged three so they would all graduate together, and then the high school was pretty much never mentioned again?

    Okay, it was 30 years ago, but mine didn't, and there were over 500 students in the class. I'm not sure how the order was determined - probably randomly. (In middle school, it was more or less by height, as they wanted the entrance of the students to go from shortest to tallest.)

    Something else mine didn't have: the students moving their tassels from one side to the other separately, when they accepted their diplomas. "Traditionally," you wait until the end, and do it together. Of course, what usually happens is, everybody throws their hats into the air as soon as the last name is called.
     
  12. markz

    markz Hilarity Ensues

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    L&O did it well. Always reminded me of a real job, where some people leave and new ones come on board. Same with real high school. I had friends that were seniors when I was a freshman, and gradually as I got older, my new classmates were younger.
     
  13. alpacaboy

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    Yup. Everyone except David repeated their Junior year.
     
  14. TonyD79

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    But they already started the process. Adding new students. And they will do it again with the Glee Project. Plus, as I said, they can have the old seniors be there at the start (summer), Christmas and spring breaks and at the end again.

    Not changing the cast to create new stories helped doom Heroes. I can cite examples, too! ;)
     

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