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Game of Thrones - "What Is Dead May Never Die" - 4/15/12 - S02E03

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by photoshopgrl, Apr 15, 2012.

  1. Apr 16, 2012 #61 of 197
    billypritchard

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    Joffrey is King. Cersei is the Queen Regent. Lord Tywin is the official Hand of the King. Tyrion is acting as Hand in his place.

    I think the only sort of 'made up' one is Cersei.
     
  2. Apr 16, 2012 #62 of 197
    billypritchard

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    Brienne is supposed to be very large, very manly, but with fairly beautiful eyes.
     
  3. Apr 16, 2012 #63 of 197
    billypritchard

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    Hmm. Since it already happened on the show, can I just say how it happened in the book? Or do we consider that spoilery? Plus I think you read the books anyway...

    In the book the Lannister men have to basically storm the keep with fire and ladders. Made a lot more sense.
     
  4. Apr 16, 2012 #64 of 197
    audioscience

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    Yeah. I agree (and I did read the books, well on #5 now). I just didn't post it since everyone got their panties in a wad over spoiler tags in the last thread. :p It was a much more believable scenario. Arya, Lommy and Hot Pie didn't get caught until later either.
     
  5. Apr 16, 2012 #65 of 197
    photoshopgrl

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    and it begins.
     
  6. Apr 16, 2012 #66 of 197
    audioscience

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    Yeah, we're basically talking about something that I chose not to post originally and me saying that I was trying to avoid the spoiler tags since everyone gets their panties in a wad.

    So anyway, the spoiler tags are there for a reason. Get used to it. :)
     
  7. Apr 16, 2012 #67 of 197
    photoshopgrl

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    How dare you expect me to put up with this just because it's a forum feature! ;)
     
  8. Apr 16, 2012 #68 of 197
    markb

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    The above sort of spoilers, I don't personally care if they're in spoiler tags. They don't spoil the show at all, because they pertain to things that already happened in the show. The would spoil the books, perhaps, but watching this show spoils to books, too.
     
  9. Apr 16, 2012 #69 of 197
    Fleegle

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    Joffrey has been crowned King officially. I think Cierce created her title of Queen Reagent as a way to seem like she holds power, but officially, she has none. She is the mother of the King, and the former Queen, but once Robert Baratheon dies, Joffrey was crowned.

    Joffrey named his grandfather, Tywin Lannister, Hand of the King. That is the position that Eddard Stark help before he was murnered, and John Arryn before him, The Hand of the King is essentially vice-king. His orders are to be taken as if they were from teh King's own mouth when the King is unavailable. Tywin is fighting the war, so he has appointed Tyrion as his proxy, so for all intents and purposes, Tyrion is Hand of the King currently. He is the second most powerful man in the kingdom.

    But, as The Spider suggests in the story he told Tyrion, power is a nebulous concept. The person who officially holds power is often not the person to whom those below him are loyal.
     
  10. Apr 16, 2012 #70 of 197
    Rob Helmerichs

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    More specifically, IIRC, according to Robert's will Ned would be Regent until Joffrey came of age (although Ned changed the will to eliminate the specific reference to Joffrey). When Ned was captured, Cersei took the position of Regent. But then Joffrey was crowned almost immediately, which made the Regency irrelevant.

    I think that for Cersei, whatever Daddy says goes, which is why she is (reluctantly) putting up with Tyrion. And for Joffrey, whatever Joffrey says goes, which is why everybody should be s#!&ing their pants.
     
  11. Apr 16, 2012 #71 of 197
    Fleegle

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    Also, we are in the middle of "The War of the Five Kings" I started working on a brief non-book-spoiler post of who these kings are, what they all want, and why they're fighting, but I thought I'd ask if anyone is confused about it or if everyone's clear on all of their claims.
     
  12. Apr 16, 2012 #72 of 197
    Fleegle

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    Very true, Cersei is claiming a position which is irrelevant since Joffrey was crowned King. By definition, a King who has taken His Throne has no need of a Regent.

    And yes, Joffrey nis nuttier than squirell s#!=. ;)
     
  13. Apr 16, 2012 #73 of 197
    MikeAndrews

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    Funny. When I looked up the definition of Queen Regent...
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/queen+regent
    I read it as Queen Regent meant the widow of the king. Doh. It defines Regent and Queen separately.
     
  14. Apr 16, 2012 #74 of 197
    Fleegle

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    That definition is essentially what would happen when a King dies and leaves behind a son who is too young to rule yet, and had not specified a Regent. The king's wife, presumably the son's mother, would rule in his stead until the king was of age to take the throne himself.

    In our world, a King or Queen can appoint a Regent to act in their place when they are away or incapacitated, but in the world of Game of Thrones, the Hand of the King has that role.
     
  15. Apr 16, 2012 #75 of 197
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    Renley does have a lot of men, but as Cat pointed out, why is he sitting there playing at war instead of attacking someone. Rob could use some help. And if he has any true soldiers in his group, they are going to be getting impatient. Cat seemed to think they were all young inexperienced men. Jousting and fighting a war probably 2 different things.....

    I'm liking the iron born. No negotiating--pay the iron price for everything. Liked seeing Theon finally tell his father off. The sister is really weird, tho. I can't picture her commanding men.
     
  16. Apr 16, 2012 #76 of 197
    photoshopgrl

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    I can't speak for everyone but I think I see why they all think they have claim. Except that Robb doesn't want to be king king, just kind of the north, right?
    Obviously Stannis and Renly both feel they should be next in line after Robert due to Joffrey not being a Baratheon.
    Danny seems to think she should be queen since the throne was overtaken from the Targaryens by the Baratheons, right?
    And as far as the last, I assume that's referring to Joffrey himself who obviously thinks he deserves it being Robert's heir.
     
  17. Apr 16, 2012 #77 of 197
    Fleegle

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    Danny is not part of the War of Five Kings, as she is on a different continent. Here's what I've written up so far. I'm pretty sure everything in this write-up is part of the show at this point. IOW, I don't think I've included any book-based spoilers.

    The Kings of the War of Five Kings:


    Joffrey Baratheon - He was claimed by the former King, Robert Baratheon as his son, so Joffrey is the direct successor to The Iron Throne after Robert died. However, he is the product of incest and Robert is not his father, so his claim to the throne is invalid. If Joffrey were to die and his claim to the throne not be invalidated, his younger brother Tommen would be next in the line of succession.

    Stannis Baratheon - As Robert had no legitimate sons of his own blood, his closest surviving male heir is next in the line of succession. That would be his next younger brother, Stannis, Baratheon. However Stannis is thought by some to be a good soldier, but a poor leader who would be harmful to the kingdom. He does, however, appear to have the clearest legal right to the throne.

    Renly Baratheon - Renly holds the allegiance of several significant Houses and their men, totaling over 100,000 soldiers. He is charismatic and believes he should take Robert's crown instead of his brother Stannis because he would be a better ruler. He has no legal claim to the throne other than "I can do the job better, and all these men with swords agree".

    Robb Stark - Rob doesn't want The Iron Throne, he simply wants The Kingdom of the North to break away from The 7 Kingdoms and be elft to their own devices. The people in the North have crowned him King of the North. Robb has sent his mother Catelyn Stark to negotiate with Renly Baratheon about an aleigance between the two. Robb will help Renly take The Iron Throne if he agrees to then grant The Kingdom of the North to their own devices.

    Balon Greyjoy - He is Lord of the Iron Isles and, Like Robb Stark, wants his Kingdom's independence again. He is planning to attack The Kingdom of the North while Robb's forces are away fighting the Lannisters
     
  18. Apr 16, 2012 #78 of 197
    Anubys

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    All these places used to be kingdoms, right? until the Targarians came with their dragons and defeated all the kings (made them just Lords) and made the Iron throne with their swords.

    This is the history as I understand it. Do I have it right?

    so now everyone is going back to being a king of their land with a weak central government ruled by a sadistic idiot with a disputed claim and who beheaded the wrong guy.
     
  19. Apr 16, 2012 #79 of 197
    photoshopgrl

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    Okay yeah I forgot about Balon. But what the hell does Danny keep going on about "I will take back what is mine" if not the throne??
     
  20. Apr 16, 2012 #80 of 197
    Fleegle

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    There were 7 kingdoms: The Kingdom of the North, Kingdom of the Vale, Kingdom of the Isles and Rivers, Kingdom of the Rock, Kingdom of the Reach, Kingdom of the Stormlands and Kingdom of Dorne.

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Seven_Kingdoms

    Danny wants to take the throne back, but she is not currently fighting in that war. She is trying to raise an army to sail across teh sea and re-take teh throne.
     

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