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Game of thrones -Valar Morghulis-s2e10 6/3/12

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by zordude, Jun 3, 2012.

  1. Jun 5, 2012 #141 of 275
    LordKronos

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    Can you please explain how you knew there were a difference, other than the option I just posed of a white walker being a more advanced/developed form of the wight?
     
  2. Jun 5, 2012 #142 of 275
    photoshopgrl

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    I just knew they were two separate entities. I thought the White Walkers were there forever and may be another species of being. Everything has pointed to this from the very first 5 minutes of the series. I guess I had it in my head they were "predator-like" beings, more like an actual monster/alien. The wights or "ghosts" or whatever they called the thing that Jon Snow battled at the wall and killed with fire, they are obviously reanimated humans.
     
  3. Jun 5, 2012 #143 of 275
    DavidTigerFan

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    FYI, Joffrey sits on the throne that way because the throne is made to be uncomfortable. In the books it goes into much more detail how it's uncomfortable and in fact some have cut themselves on it.

    Also, I am watching Dr Who and was amused to find that the bald warlock guy was in the Dr Who episode where Queen Victoria is attacked by an alien werewolf and then forms Torchwood. :)
     
  4. Jun 5, 2012 #144 of 275
    allan

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    Book comment:

    I just got to where Joffrey cut himself on the throne. Not as good as an Imp-slap, but I still chuckled at it. :)
     
  5. Jun 5, 2012 #145 of 275
    LordKronos

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    I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion, other than lucky guess. What we saw of them in the first episode, they looks like like humans. The girl looked completely normal other than a busted up mouth and glowing blue eyes. The one that cut off the guys head was completely shadowed, so you could not see any non-human details other than the glowing blue eyes. As far as we could tell there, they were both the same type of creature. And the girl was obviously a reanimated corpse, since we saw her dead body pinned to the tree when that one guy (that ned beheaded) turned around.
     
  6. Jun 5, 2012 #146 of 275
    photoshopgrl

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    The girl WAS one of the humans that reanimated! The shadow creature was just that... a creature. You never saw them or their faces, only shadows and glowing eyes. The girl was among the camp that was slaughtered and she was the one hanging that he turned around almost into. She then later came back. They have been separated since the start, I don't think it was a lucky guess on my part!
     
  7. Jun 5, 2012 #147 of 275
    audioscience

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    I saw the first episode before I read the book(s) and I could completely tell that the girl hanging in the tree and the white walker were not one in the same. The white walker was much taller, quicker (the girls was just dead), and made an ungodly shriek, similar as to what we heard in the last episode. By fact that it remained masked and shadowed it lead me to believe that the producers wanted to indicate that it was different and mysterious and not human.

    And to me, it was obvious that the white walker was a predator, and was the one who had killed the humans.
     
  8. Jun 5, 2012 #148 of 275
    billypritchard

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    I can see that they have perhaps not been 100% explicit about the differences between a white walker and a wight (zombie). That being said, there have been pretty clear differences in how they've been portrayed in the show. Clearly there are reanimated corpses (ie the one that attacked Mormont) that are very zombie-esque except with a bit more purpose. Then we have also seen the white walkers, with their glowing blue eyes and much more normal actions/interactions.
     
  9. Jun 5, 2012 #149 of 275
    LordKronos

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    But the "shadow creature" showed no signs of being different than the girl. You couldn't see any features because it was dark and in the shadow, but what you could see was that it had the same blue eyes as her, and the silhouette otherwise looked like a normal human. I see nothing there to indicate that they are 2 different types of creatures.
     
  10. Jun 5, 2012 #150 of 275
    Anubys

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    FWIW, until it was mentioned here, I always thought they were all the same. White Walkers are walking dead with glowing blue eyes.

    While my memory isn't the best, I can't recall any instance so far that differentiated between the two "types".
     
  11. Jun 5, 2012 #151 of 275
    Anubys

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    I am much taller and quicker than my 9 year old daughter; but I'm pretty sure we're the same species ;) :p
     
  12. Jun 5, 2012 #152 of 275
    LordKronos

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    Holy crap. I've watched that opening scene at least 25 times. And it wasn't until just now (after having watched it at least 5 times today) that I just now realized....while there was that one shadowed white walker cutting off the dudes head, there was a 2nd one in the background, less shadowed and more monster like. How the hell could I watch that scene so many times without even seeing him?
     
  13. Jun 5, 2012 #153 of 275
    cherry ghost

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    Same here



    Even so, did you not see the difference in the last scene this week? It was pretty clear that the two things on horseback were different than those walking/shuffling.
     
  14. Jun 5, 2012 #154 of 275
    LordKronos

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    Yeah, we clearly see a difference this week. Though like I said, how do we know it's not something mystical like the zombies stealking the life force from their victims until they gradually take their final form (that idea has been used in movies at least a few times before). Of course, that appears not to be the case, since book readers have indicated they are clearly 2 different creatures, so that theory is moot.

    But that aside, my point was that everyone seems to have known before this episode that there were 2 different types of the creature, and I'm just not sure how.
     
  15. Jun 5, 2012 #155 of 275
    Steveknj

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  16. Jun 5, 2012 #156 of 275
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    This is why I need to read the books. I feel like we are missing out on so much back story it's ruining the experience the author intended. This season seems so much under par compared to the first for me. It just didn't have any Jaw dropping moments for me. Does any thing this season compare to Bran interrupting Cerci and Jamie? How about Ned losing his head? The Dragons hatching? It just seems so rushed and condensed.
     
  17. Jun 5, 2012 #157 of 275
    billypritchard

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    I would say the book itself does not contain the same jaw-dropping aspects as the first book. It's excellent points lie in the Tyrion KL scenes of him outwitting Cersei or Littlefinger, developing a 'friendship' with Varys, and then ultimately saving the city with his cunning.
     
  18. Jun 5, 2012 #158 of 275
    billypritchard

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    Wait, Renly getting killed by a shadow monster wasn't a high point?
     
  19. Jun 5, 2012 #159 of 275
    goblue97

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    Are you trying to say that sometimes you create your own luck?
     
  20. Jun 5, 2012 #160 of 275
    LordKronos

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    Yeah, I think there was tons of stuff this season on par with last season. Renly's death was just awesome. The whole battle of episode 9 was amazing (especialy the wildfire). The finale ending was great. I thought the introduction of Stannis was handled nicely. Tyrions role this season was better than last. We saw Joffrey not just get a slap, but a cowpie. Seeing Harrenhall was just impressive. And I loved the interactions between Tywin and Arya.

    One thing I have noticed is that the first season felt a little deeper to me, in that I caught a lot more stuff on my second time through. This season I'm catching most stuff on my first watch. However, I think a lot of that is just that I've got a much better understanding of the show, who is who, whats going on, etc than I did in the first season.
     

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