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Game of Thrones - "The Prince of Winterfell" - S02E08 5/20/12

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  1. May 20, 2012 #1 of 221
    photoshopgrl

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    As usual, so much happened this episode, I know I've already forgotten some of it! Why does the hour go so damn fast??

    Robb.... saw that coming a mile away. I knew they'd get it on. But Cat letting Jaimie go was STUPID. WTF was she thinking?? How did she think Robb would be okay with that? Ugh.

    Tyrion's face when he saw Ros instead of Shae was masterclass acting. God I love Dinklage so much I can't even take it. So I assume Ros realized she was some kind of replacement for who Cersei was really after. That's some dedication right there for her to keep her trap shut. I don't fully understand why she would do that for him. And I guess he and Varys have reached some kind of friendship? I wanted to wipe that smile off Cercei's face. Great acting on Tyrion's part to her to sell the fact that Ros was his "whore".

    Oh Jon Snow... I'm really fearful for him at this point. I don't know what else to say. I hope they don't go the route of the wildling chick falling for him.

    Arya and Gendry get out of Harrenhal! Dude is really creepy though. I cannot ever remember his name without looking it up.. it's too odd. You know who I mean. His way of speaking is odd even for this show/time. He was freaked when she named him though, liked that. Wasn't surprised though, she's a smart smart girl.

    So Stannis names Davos as his hand. I kinda thought that was a given. Apparently not to Davos. Is there anyone more loyal to Stannis than him??

    Lastly, Dany Dany. She's a bit full of herself. I hope she isn't leading Jorah to his death here. I will be rightly pissed if he dies because she's so convinced of her own uber specialness and demands they go to the house of the undead.

    Is it next Sunday yet?? Only 2 episodes remain this season. That is so depressing!!!!
     
  2. May 20, 2012 #2 of 221
    Demandred

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    Starting to think I will need to read the books while we wait for next season.
     
  3. May 20, 2012 #3 of 221
    MikeAndrews

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    It was one of the more unsatisfying episodes so far.

    I (mostly) didn't believe for a moment the tar babies were Bran and his brother. especially with no Hodor, too.

    Bran/Hodor are Master/Blaster. Maybe Tyrion can mount his Sellsword.

    I had remembered but Dany pointed it out. She is a dragon. All they have to do is burn down the House of the Undying so they will ber the House of Dying by Burning except for Dany and her dragons.

    I would have been happier if they had cut off Lord Jamie's jewels. Maybe Brienne still has a mission on how he's supposed to be delivered.

    "Yeah, Jeffy, THAT will scare them."
     
  4. May 21, 2012 #4 of 221
    Ereth

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    She's a mother who has lost her husband, her daughters and two of her sons. Her sister is crazy. Her ancestral home doesn't welcome her and her husbands home has fallen to Theon Greyjoy of all people. Her entire world is falling apart. She believes that sending Jamie back to the Lannisters to trade for her daughters is the only way she's ever going to see them again. Right or wrong, she believes it with every fiber of her being. And she believed that Jamie would not survive the night with men who wanted to kill him, and that news of his death would be followed with news of Sansa and Aryas death as well.

    What would you do if you believed that?
     
  5. May 21, 2012 #5 of 221
    photoshopgrl

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    I wouldn't have sent him back without confirmation from Kings Landing of two things.
    1. My daughters were still alive
    2. They were willing to trade them
    And I certainly would not have sent just one person back with him hoping the "kings slayer" doesn't get the best of that person along the way. Because if anything at all goes wrong, her or Robb have nothing to bargain with.

    I know you've read the books so you have more insight on such things but this is how I see it strictly from a show viewers POV.
     
  6. May 21, 2012 #6 of 221
    Rob Helmerichs

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    The problem is it would take weeks to get that information, and Robb's men wanted Jaime dead NOW. She figured, given the mood in camp, that she had hours to save Jaime's life (and thus hopefully save her daughters' lives), and under the circumstances I'd say she acted rashly but not insanely.

    I loved the romantic rowboat scene, with the pretty one lounging in the prow of the boat and the big burly one rowing them down the river... :D
     
  7. May 21, 2012 #7 of 221
    photoshopgrl

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    So what you're saying is she doesn't feel she can control Robb's men. I wonder if Robb would have those same concerns if he had been there instead.
     
  8. May 21, 2012 #8 of 221
    Rob Helmerichs

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    That's a good question. So far, he's been playing the Romantic Young King card quite skillfully, but this had the potential to really blow up in his face...it's in the best interest of the kingdom to keep Jaime alive, so what happens when he has to weigh that against the insistent demands of his subjects to kill him? Would he even have had the chance to make that decision, and if his men killed Jaime behind his back, how would that affect his authority?

    Ironically, Mom's rash actions spared him that dilemma, although of course caused another (what to do about Mom?).
     
  9. May 21, 2012 #9 of 221
    Ereth

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    I agree with Rob. She was acting emotionally, not logically. Robb would have (and did) act differently.

    In this regard, the book doesn't change anything, but because it allows inner dialog, and infinite time, you get more of Caitlyns thoughts (as well as everybody else. We have a much better idea of who Brienne of Tarth is by now in the books, for instance).

    But to respond to the points specifically...

    Littlefinger told her while at Renlys camp that both girls were alive and held by the Lannisters. WE know that Arya is not there, but Caitlyn does not.

    Highborn prisoners are traditionally kept specifically TO be traded for highborn prisoners that the other side captures. It's the entire world that Caitlyn has grown up with. The peasants are killed, the highborn are captured and traded back to their homes. Caitlyn trusts in the traditions of the highborn (remember her insistence upon "bread and salt" at the Twins?). They are the foundation of her world, and while they are broken upon occasion (the mad king comes to mind), they are so fundamental that she doesn't question them.

    As for feeling she can control Robbs men... no, she doesn't, especially given the mood at the time. She barely stopped them from killing Jamie outright. She didn't think she would succeed a second time. Were the Kingslayer to have an "accident" in the night and be found dead in the morning, the girls would be lost to her (she believes) and what could Robb do about it? He might be angry, but the deed would be done.
     
  10. May 21, 2012 #10 of 221
    LordKronos

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    I too thought this was one of the less exciting episodes.

    I'm confused about what's going on with Jon Snow and the others. I thought the leader (not sure of his name...was it Crow?) said everyone else was killed. Then later we see everyone else just fine. So what's going on? Why did he lie to Jon about everyone being dead?

    The Ros scene was funny. I had recognized her, but it didn't actually click at the moment that she wasn't Tyrion's girl. Then he gets back to his room and I was like "wait, what just happened"
     
  11. May 21, 2012 #11 of 221
    Ereth

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    Quorin Halfhand. The small splinter group that he and Jon Snow went off with, everyone was killed.

    The other people you saw were the main force that Lord Commander Mormont kept with him.
     
  12. May 21, 2012 #12 of 221
    LordKronos

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    Oh yeah, thanks. I forgot that the group had split up to take out the lookouts.
     
  13. May 21, 2012 #13 of 221
    allan

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    I loved this exchange between Tyrion and Varys:

    "You're an intelligent man, and I'd like to think I am"
    "Too bad we can't talk as honest, intelligent men"

    :D :up:
     
  14. May 21, 2012 #14 of 221
    audioscience

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    She knew he wouldn't be okay with it, that's why she did it.

    His acting through that whole scene was amazing, even before Roz came out. His look of "how the f*ck do you know?" was masterful. Loved it.

    His name is Jaqen H'agar. I know, hard to remember unless you've read it. :p Anyway, he's not from Westeros which is why he speaks so strangely.
    Nope! :)

    Who is she, or what is she if she doesn't have her dragons?

    Yeah that sucks. While I agree that this episode didn't have anything exciting really happen, there was a lot of good story telling going on. I think (hope) the next two episodes are going to be chock-full of craziness. :D
     
  15. May 21, 2012 #15 of 221
    marksman

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    I would know just shipping him back is not the way to go about it. Why does she think her daughters will be released.

    I agree with your explanation of her decision making but just letting her protector take him down there does not seem like a way to get her daughters free. Especially since she doesn't even know their real status.
     
  16. May 21, 2012 #16 of 221
    marksman

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    I don't know all these kings moms overstepping their bounds is messing things up. :) I guess the only people who can show up kings are their mommies.
     
  17. May 21, 2012 #17 of 221
    allan

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    Though, occasionally, uncles are allowed to slap kings. :D
     
  18. May 21, 2012 #18 of 221
    tiassa

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    for once somebody got the best of Tyrion in the "line of the show" category

    Tyrion: Imagine Stannis' terror
    Varys: I am trying
     
  19. May 21, 2012 #19 of 221
    Rob Helmerichs

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    They do make a great couple pair. It's fun watching them try to unpack each other's comments. And when they talk, they both have this "I'm pretty sure I'm smarter than you, but I'm not yet entirely convinced" thing going on.
     
  20. May 21, 2012 #20 of 221
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    It was good. I'm not sure that was the best. The exchange with Bronn when he said they rounded up all the known thieves, and now just have to worry about the unknown thieves made me laugh/rewind/rewatch! Basically, "You rounded them up for questioning?", followed by Bronn's delivery of "No" was priceless.
     

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