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Game of Thrones - "The Ghost of Harrenhal" - s2e5 - 4/29/12

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Rickvz, Apr 29, 2012.

  1. Apr 30, 2012 #61 of 206
    Ereth

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    It's about the execution (no pun intended). I knew Ned Stark was going to die, before the first episode aired last season. Yet the story was well told, and interesting, and yes, I didn't have to stand up and shout to the heavens when I saw it, because I'd already done that years before when I read it, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy it.

    I knew that Frodo was going to make it to Mordor, too. Didn't stop me from enjoying the movies.

    (Plus, it's kind of fun to see the little hints and know what they portend. To understand Brans dream, for instance, or to know what Theon is going to do, and to see how the show creators portray that and foreshadow it).
     
  2. Apr 30, 2012 #62 of 206
    LordKronos

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    Yes, I'm fairly certain the show indicated at one point they they were borrowing from the lannisters. And I don't believe the show has explained the lannisters wealth, but some of the book readers have explained in previous threads that the lands owned by the lannisters are very mineral rich.
     
  3. Apr 30, 2012 #63 of 206
    allan

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    I thought of that angle too. But, IMO, some things, including Renley's death and that of Ned Stark (though that one got spoiled for me anyway :( ), have more impact on the TV (if done right, which they were).
     
  4. Apr 30, 2012 #64 of 206
    LordKronos

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    Well, as I said, I actually had Renly's death spoiled for me earlier in the week. And while it obviously took away the shock since I knew it was coming, I still did say "OMG" and rewind it to watch it again a few times.
     
  5. Apr 30, 2012 #65 of 206
    photoshopgrl

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    Yeah, I guess I'm not so much a spoiler nazi as much as a huge event spoiler nazi. I don't mind knowing small details but things like this, Ned and poor Lady being killed hit me much harder than had I known. That's just me, many shows I read spoiler threads on and like to know what's coming up. I'm not sure why some I do and some I don't.
     
  6. Apr 30, 2012 #66 of 206
    gschrock

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    I guess for me it doesn't bother me much knowing it's coming up, because I already had the effect from reading the book. And I have to admit, I've had times that I've sat there swearing at the book after things happened :).

    Hmm, pondered putting this in without spoilering it, but there's probably people that would get annoyed. There's no specific spoiler information in what's below, more of a generic comment on the topic of death in this show.

    I do think for those that have played the book you could play a great drinking game. Every time someone comes on screen that is going to die, you take a drink. Not sure anyone would ever make it through an episode though :).
     
  7. Apr 30, 2012 #67 of 206
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I think events like that have a LOT more impact in the books, because Martin spends a LOT more time building up to them.

    E.g., Ned in the TV show was a lot more of a cypher. In the books, he's a much more fully-realized character, and his death had (I think) a lot more impact than it would have if all I knew about him was what the TV show gave us.
     
  8. Apr 30, 2012 #68 of 206
    gschrock

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    Yeah, I'll have to agree with Rob's comments too. The pay-off in the books is awfully good because there's more invested in the characters up to that point. In the series, if Ned hadn't been played by "arguably" the biggest name in the acting cast, I don't know that it would have had quite the effect that it did on people.
     
  9. Apr 30, 2012 #69 of 206
    photoshopgrl

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    Well I dunno about it having more or less but I can say for me, not knowing he was the biggest name in the acting cast, I was floored when they killed him. I mean literally draw dropped and hands to face like a drooling idiot, floored. Even the movies Bean has been in that I've seen he didn't make a big enough impact that I remembered his face when I started this show. Honestly the only person I did recognize was Dinklage.
     
  10. Apr 30, 2012 #70 of 206
    zordude

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    I'm going to be bummed when/if Bran's dream comes true and Theon takes winterfell. The Starks are too righteous for their own good.

    The treatment of this series makes me sad for the mess that was the Sword of Truth series.
     
  11. Apr 30, 2012 #71 of 206
    Rickvz

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    I looked forward to that scene all week after seeing the end of the previous episode. I'm not sure which is more fun, watching the realization of the various big events or reading the speculation by users here knowing what is likely. Last year I suspected the ending scene would be the birth of the dragons and still found the scene riveting. I'm really looking forward to what I suspect will happen in the final episode of this season.

    Same here. After a few episodes I picked up the first book and read through it quickly. Then couldn't stop once I started.

    One recap I read of last week's episode stated an opinion that the strongest scenes were those that followed the books pretty closely and the weaker scenes (certainly a relative term) were those that were not from the books or that directly changed something from the books. I would agree.
     
  12. Apr 30, 2012 #72 of 206
    mwhip

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    If Margery Tyrell (Mrs. Renly Bartheron) is keen on becoming Queen I wonder if she is going back to Kings Landing with Baelish to you know...get up on Joffrey.

    This would not be good news for Sansa.
     
  13. Apr 30, 2012 #73 of 206
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Given Joffrey's...proclivities, that would be EXCELLENT news for Sansa! :D
     
  14. Apr 30, 2012 #74 of 206
    mwhip

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    Well sure but she would have to sneak out of King's Landing. Not sure how easy that is for her.
     
  15. Apr 30, 2012 #75 of 206
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Gotta be easier than being Joffrey's legal sex-slave! Or at least have a much higher chance of survival...
     
  16. Apr 30, 2012 #76 of 206
    Anubys

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    You don't have to be a thief to join. You can be the younger brother who will inherit nothing (Ned's brother, for example), or the bastard son (Jon Snow), or just too poor to have any prospects.

    I'm going to wait on reading the series. I can enjoy a book (The Godfather and Jurassic Park come to mind) after watching the movie. I don't think I can do the opposite.
     
  17. Apr 30, 2012 #77 of 206
    Anubys

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    I really think Littlefinger is the one who will go for her. He does want to rule, eventually/somehow, and she has the money and the ambition.
     
  18. Apr 30, 2012 #78 of 206
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, back in the good old days it was a noble profession. Now, you pretty much have to be a loser to join (or be conscripted). But they'll take all kinds of losers! :D
     
  19. Apr 30, 2012 #79 of 206
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    There are definite pluses and minuses to both approaches. I read the books before the show was announced, so didn't have a choice - but "disappointed" is a word that's never crossed my mind when watching this show. :) Honestly I can't imagine what it's like for someone who hasn't read the books to watch it. There are so many little details that it would be probably impossible to pick up on if you weren't familiar with the source material. Plus, the foreshadowing just makes me squee like a little girl. :D

    The best approach might be to watch a season, read the book, then watch the season again. The problem with that, as others have mentioned, is that it's tough to finish one book without immediately picking up the next one!
     
  20. Apr 30, 2012 #80 of 206
    zordude

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    I believe that as of this season there is no longer a 1 book per season correlation
     

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