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Game of Thrones - Season Two and Book 2 Discussion

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Rickvz, May 3, 2012.

  1. May 29, 2012 #81 of 101
    robojerk

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    I too think Jon Snow didn't come off as stupid in the books. Because of my impression of him from reading I have a hard time of seeing his actions as making him stupid, but I can't argue with some of the comments being made about him especially regarding Ygritte.

    I can overlook him following Castor out in the wood. Sam asked the question what happens to the baby boys, and his curiosity took the better of him especially since obviously Castor was doing something nefarious. However if Castor just went out there and sacrificed the baby by killing it himself instead of giving it to the white walkers, it's not like Jon would be able to do anything. However Jon's morals he picked up from Ned would have caused him to still stir up problems still. it was a lose lose situation for him.

    Not killing Ygritte and taking her captive after his fellow crows killed the other wildlings. What was his plan after catching up with his fellow nights watchmen? They would not want another mouth to feed. I think this story line has not been changed for the better, however there's still 1 more episode so hopefully the direction they're taking it makes the destination worth the butchered journey.
     
  2. May 29, 2012 #82 of 101
    JETarpon

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    I don't think Jon Snow came off as stupid in the books.

    At least not the early books. His decisions in A Dance with Dragons were suspect, to say the least.
     
  3. May 29, 2012 #83 of 101
    jakerock

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    I think he came off as naive sometimes but that was expected given his back ground compared to the other men at the wall. But he didn't seem to do stupid stuff just for the heck of it one week to the next, I mean one chapter to the next. :)

    Even in Dance with Dragons he was making decisions that needed to be made. Unfortunately those decisions weren't popular.
     
  4. May 30, 2012 #84 of 101
    Rickvz

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    This link, http://blastr.com/2012/05/which-new-characters-will.php, was posted elsewhere and discusses casting decisions for next season.
    So it looks like Meera and Jojen will be cast.
     
  5. May 30, 2012 #85 of 101
    audioscience

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    Yes! Exactly what I was hoping!

    It won't be completely bastardized after all. :D
     
  6. May 30, 2012 #86 of 101
    audioscience

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    No, I think they used that little ploy to replace his chain in the books. It was a genius tactical move that shows his smarts and that he was able to make smart decisions in battle and in turn helped save the castle.
     
  7. May 31, 2012 #87 of 101
    stellie93

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    On the other hand, in the books they made the tunnels seem small and nobody knew about them but Varys and a few others. I had trouble picturing all these big, armored men marching through them. And now everybody and his brother will be able to sneak anywhere in the castle, while family members who need to hide or escape could be much more easily caught. :(
     
  8. Jun 4, 2012 #88 of 101
    DavidTigerFan

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    Ok, I can't find it in the book, but I don't remember Theon being knocked out by his friends. What happened in the book regarding that and winterfell?
     
  9. Jun 4, 2012 #89 of 101
    jakerock

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    Read about it here:

    http://towerofthehand.com/books/102/067/index.html

    It summarizes the chapter which is different from the series in many ways.
     
  10. Jun 4, 2012 #90 of 101
    robojerk

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    I think the whole plot with Reek/Ramsay Bolton (Lord Botlon's bastard) would have taken too much time unless they make the show 12 episodes a season, I wouldn't complain. They left it very ambiguous as to what happened to Winterfell. They could have at least shown a few of the Iron Men dead to at least give you the impression something nefarious happened to Winterfell with Stark's own bannermen men.
     
  11. Jun 4, 2012 #91 of 101
    jakerock

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    But by then they'd already strayed from the plot anyway. I figure next season we'll found out what happened and it will amount to getting important characters where they need to be in order to continue the story.

    My wife is not happy with how the show is going (she has not read the books) because it seems like only good people die. I started to disagree but actually from what I remember of the books...it doesn't pay to be a 'good' guy in Westros.
     
  12. Jun 4, 2012 #92 of 101
    jakerock

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    If nothing else it is another cliff hanger to keep us excited about next season. What the heck happened at Winterfell. What about the men north of the wall? Etc Etc. I can't believe the season is over already and we have to wait at least a year for the next one. If Arya grows as much as Sansa did between years somethings gonna give.
     
  13. Jun 4, 2012 #93 of 101
    robojerk

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    Did the tv show ever reveal the fact the Peter Baelish asked for Cat's father for her hand in marriage even though she was promised to Brandon Stark (Ned's older brother). Peter and Brandon dueled over her and Brandon easily beat Peter, then gave him mercy on Cat's request, she did think of him like a brother after all. After Ned's brother and father were burned alive by the mad king, Cat was then promised and married to Ned.
     
  14. Jun 4, 2012 #94 of 101
    allan

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    That rings a bell, but since I've read Book 1 and most of Book2 I can't swear that I saw it on the show, though I think I did.
     
  15. Jun 4, 2012 #95 of 101
    robojerk

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    I never really liked the whole drowned men, they sound way too anarchist to be as organized as they are. If the iron born way of life is to take things you want by force, how and why do they have a king? You would think there would be constant rebellions as they're motto is to acquire things by paying the "iron price", so even if the king of the islands took the little kingdom by force, any chance of his offspring inheriting the throne is zero since they never paid the iron price for it. Also they're little rebellion by raping and plundering the sea towns seems so near sighted. If the Lannisters or Baratheons win the iron throne, the first thing they would do is crush the drowned men little raiding parties. You would think a little forethought would mean aligning with the Starks (even though they hate them) would be the only way to ensure the little kingdom would have a chance to survive.
    I just think the whole plot was chopped up too much. Also I don't think the Theon's men would sacrifice Theon like they suggested on the show. How would they ever be able to live in a kingdom where they gave an enemy their prince so they could come home?

    If the show was 2 episodes longer, they could have added these few scenes: I added spoiler in case someone hasn't finished book 2 yet.
    • Bran sends men to capture Ramsay Bolton for raping/killing a lady of a house sworn to the Starks. Ramsay and Reek do their switcharoo, Rodrik thinks he kills Ramsay and captures Reek. ( they could hide the switch from the viewer)
    • After Theon takes winterfell he releases Reek and had him available to help with the search of the Stark boys that escaped.
    • Then after Theon's sister refuses to give him the men he needs to hold the castle, Reek could have offered his allegiance to Theon and promised to come back with more men.
    • Reek returns with his men and Theon let them in Winterfell reveals he's not really Reek but Ramsay, kills the iron islanders, captures Theon, burns Winterfell.
    But like some have said in the episode thread, they could have left it mysterious to get people excited for season 3.
     
  16. Jun 5, 2012 #96 of 101
    robojerk

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    Speaking of books, there is a series of short novels called the Dunk and Egg Tales
    http://towerofthehand.com/books/dunkandegg.html

    Has anyone read them?
     
  17. Mar 23, 2013 #97 of 101
    cherry ghost

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    Any thoughts on how to handle a Season 3 thread? If what I've read is correct, there may be some things from book 4 in season 3.
     
  18. Mar 23, 2013 #98 of 101
    stellie93

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    I hope we have a thread for those of us who have read the books--there are probably more of us than those who haven't at this forum by now.

    I'm rereading book 3 now, and there's so much in there, I don't know how they're going to get to book 4 stuff. :confused:
     
  19. Mar 23, 2013 #99 of 101
    cherry ghost

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    I think Book 3 will be two TV seasons but there will also be some of Book 4 in both seasons. The new thread might have to be "Season 3 - All Books".
     
  20. Rob Helmerichs

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    Yes, the connection between specific books and specific seasons will apparently grow increasingly tenuous as we progress.
     

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