1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Game of Thrones S3E5 04/28/2013 'Kissed By Fire'

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Anubys, Apr 29, 2013.

  1. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    3,983
    13
    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA
    I don't agree with this. That had very little effect on the war. Yes, Caitlin kidnapped Tyrion because of it but even that didn't get it done.

    IMO it is Joffrey who is most directly responsible for the war, by beheading Ned Stark. Up until that point things were just tense, and could possibly have been salvaged without open war. Most likely by holding Ned hostage against action by Winterfell.
     
  2. robojerk

    robojerk Active Member

    2,340
    11
    Jun 13, 2006
    Laguna Hills CA
    Both Stannis and Renly were planning war after Robert died. Ned was planning to back Renly Stannis. Jeoffrey brought Winterfell and Riverun into it by beheading Ned.

    Of Ned had somehow gotten out of Kings Landing (his stubbornness makes it unlikely), maybe Winterfell would be backing Renly Stannis.

    The drama with Jaime throwing Bran out the window probably wouldn't have led to a war, especially if Robert had had lived longer.
     
  3. MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

    14,222
    2
    Jan 17, 2002
    Northern...
    Interesting thought. You think if Ned had told King Robert that Jamie pushed Bran...and that was because he was boinking Cersie...he would have had Jamie (and Cersie) executed?

    I'd bet that he would still suck it up because he owed so much to the Lannisters.
     
  4. DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

    18,360
    58
    Nov 11, 2002
    SoCal
    Stannis is very rigid in his beliefs and moral code, even if you leave his dalliance with Mellisandre/The Lord of Light aside. Take his treatment of Davos:
    during Robert's Rebellion, Davos was a smuggler who saved the lives of Stannis and his men who were under siege in Storm's End by sneaking past the naval blockade and bringing food to Stannis' forces. After the war was over, Stannis repaid his bravery by knighting him and giving him land, but also cut off the first knuckle of each finger on his left hand as punishment for being a smuggler.
     
  5. heySkippy

    heySkippy oldweakandpathetic

    20,012
    54
    Jul 2, 2001
    Sarasota, FL
    Ned would have supported Stannis, not Renly.
     
  6. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    26,228
    57
    Jul 16, 2004
    Fairfax...
    I don't recall any of this. Maybe it happened in the book that way, but it did not happen on the show. In fact, Cersei was present as Marcella was shipped off to Dorn. That is when Cersei promised Tyrion that she will one day find what he loves the most and take it away from him (so he would know how she felt).

    Pycell was taken away while with a whore. Something that could have been done at any time. No need for Cersei to be asleep as she would have been in a totally different part of the palace.
     
  7. dtle

    dtle Active Member

    1,703
    14
    Dec 12, 2001
    Philly, PA
    Speaking of credits, (possible mild spoilers)
    is it me or was the credits changed to include a new place that Dany will visit? It seems to skip over Astopor to the new place.
     
  8. heySkippy

    heySkippy oldweakandpathetic

    20,012
    54
    Jul 2, 2001
    Sarasota, FL
    No spoiler there. The opening credits flew over Astapor and highlighted Yunkai (I think) instead.
     
  9. smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

    20,627
    135
    May 24, 2003
    I think he would have had them banished and the marriage nullified.

    The situation escalated when Tyrion was captured by Catelyn Stark as justice/retaliation for the the attempt on Bran's life. Had there been no pushing of Bran out the window, there would have been no attempt on Bran's life, no capture of Tyrion, no sword fight between Jaime and Ned, no escalation between Starks and Lannisters.

    There's still the business of Joffrey being illegitimate. Would that have played out differently? Perhaps.
     
  10. Jstkiddn

    Jstkiddn Shutity up up up

    13,012
    248
    Oct 15, 2003
    Ned appeared to be concerned that Robert might have them executed, which is why he told Cersei what he knew.....to give her a chance to take her children and get the he** out of dodge before he told Robert. He was giving her a chance to save herself. Why would he give her a warning if not worried for her life and the life of her children? If annulment and banishment were going to be the outcome, I don't see why he would have felt the need to warn her.

    What was the line someone said later? I can't remember if it was Ned or maybe Viserys, but it was something about Ned being in the position he was in (the dungeon) because he tried to save her and her children...trying to do the right thing by giving her a chance? That is a huge paraphrase, but it was something along those lines.
     
  11. robojerk

    robojerk Active Member

    2,340
    11
    Jun 13, 2006
    Laguna Hills CA
    Fixed it.. I have a newborn at home, and posted just before bed.
     
  12. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    26,228
    57
    Jul 16, 2004
    Fairfax...
    You have a newborn and made it to bed? I didn't think that was possible!
     
  13. Shaunnick

    Shaunnick Active Member

    4,791
    24
    Jul 1, 2005
    Knoxville, TN
    He made it to bed. The wife, not so much.
     
  14. MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

    14,222
    2
    Jan 17, 2002
    Northern...
    Yeahbut, remember that Robert had no qualms about giving in and ordering that the butcher boy be run down and killed as well as ordering Sansa's wolf to be killed just to shut up Cersei.
     
  15. Ereth

    Ereth Well-Known Member

    42,837
    492
    Jun 16, 2000
    Jacksonville...
    That was kind of the point. Robert was a great warrior, but a lousy king. He hated the reality of being King, all the politics and so on. If you couldn't just smash it with a hammer, it was more complex than it needed to be.

    The plot to get rid of Robert Baratheon was inevitable. It's just that everybody wanted to get the pieces into place so they'd benefit the most when it happened.
     
  16. grey ghost

    grey ghost Member

    201
    0
    Feb 1, 2010
    Robert orders Sansa's direwolf killed when they couldn't find Arya's direwolf(who actually bit Joffrey_, BUT he DID NOT tell the Hound to murder the Butcher's Boy. That was done off-screen presumably by either Cersei or Joffrey.

    Robert orders the direwolf killed.
     
  17. stellie93

    stellie93 Active Member

    3,156
    9
    Feb 25, 2006
    What I'm thinking of was Tyrion getting Cersei out of the way during a meeting of the small council so he could get this stuff in the works without her. By the time she recovered it would be too late. It may have been from the books--sorry--I guess I play the scenes in my head as I read, and then I think I saw them. :eek:
     
  18. Shaunnick

    Shaunnick Active Member

    4,791
    24
    Jul 1, 2005
    Knoxville, TN

Share This Page