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Game of Thrones S3E10 06/09/2013 'Mhysa'

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Anubys, Jun 10, 2013.

  1. MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

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    I though they were holed up in one of the Nights Watch castles on (at?) the wall. The story Bran tells is of the Nights Watch cook.
     
  2. LordKronos

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    Yes, that's correct. We found out about that tunnel in that scene where Sam was talking about it and Gilly said "wow, you're like a wizard".

    And yes, I believe we saw in this episode that Sam showed Bran the tunnel and you see Hodor wheeling him down it. At least I think we saw that. I'm not paying the most careful attention to that part. For all of you complaining about the torture scenes, I'm 10 times as interested in the torture as I am in anything going on with Bran. Heck, I'm more interested in checking up on how Duck Sauce is doing in that vault than I am in Bran. I'm even more interested in what Hodor is up to than I am in Bran.
     
  3. LordKronos

    LordKronos New Member

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    Please enlighten me as to what all of these very important external connections are.
     
  4. Anubys

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    and that "secret" tunnel didn't look very well hidden at all as Bran et al were going through it...
     
  5. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Based on that article, it's GRRM that is assuming this. He says they have lots of material to cover, so he doesn't think they'll catch him, but what he doesn't realize is that much of it probably doesn't translate very well to the screen, and the art of writing a TV episode is very different than the art of writing a novel. If they want the TV show to actually be a good TV show, they'll have to do a ton of condensing and leave a lot of characters out, and then they'll quickly be caught up to the books.

    I think that was simply a necessity of filming. The opening to the tunnel on the north side is supposed to be secret. So presumably it wouldn't just be a big opening with light streaming in. But having Bran and Hodor walking into a dark tunnel wouldn't look very good on screen, nor would people realize where they were going. So it was just a bit of cinematic efficiency to quickly convey what was going on in a well-framed shot rather than making the shot more realistic yet less visually pleasing and requiring extra dialogue to explain.
     
  6. jakerock

    jakerock Hey ho howdy! TCF Club

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    Also the tunnel doesn't need to be as secret on this side of the wall. The wall is to keep the North out, not the South in.
     
  7. JETarpon

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    Except people from this side of the wall go to that side of the wall. If this side isn't secret, that side won't be secret for very long.
     
  8. john4200

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    Actually, what you do not seem to realize is that Martin was and is a TV writer. He wrote for several TV series in the 80s, most notably Beauty and the Beast, and he writes an episode each season for GoT.

    No, the problem is not that Martin does not realize what is necessary to write for TV. The problem is that Martin does not realize that a lot of what he wrote in books 4 and 5 is just boring, and should have been edited out of the books, and will certainly be skipped for TV.
     
  9. Anubys

    Anubys KMT Soccer Playa

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    And we were seeing the North side, not the south. :shrug:
     
  10. john4200

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    And the people on the south side, camped right on top of the entrance, did not even know the passage was there until Sam appeared.
     
  11. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    I know GRRM has experience in TV writing. But he seems to think Benioff and Weiss are going to be able to film every minute story in books 4 and 5 and that will buy him enough time to finish books 6 and 7. I don't think he realizes that in order to make the show palatable for average viewers who haven't read the books, most of that material will need to be cut and thus those two books would take only 2-3 seasons of TV.

    In other words, I think we're saying the same thing.

    That shot we see of Bran and Hodor walking down the tunnel into the bright light is them walking toward the opening in the North side of the wall. If the opening is that big and lets in that much light, then it really can't be all that secret. But I already explained above why it doesn't really matter and was just a necessity for TV.
     
  12. john4200

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    Close, but not quite the same thing.

    Most of the viewers who have read the books (that have commented in the book thread) want the show to skip large parts of books 4 and 5 as well. The problem is not about how much good book material can or cannot be adapted to TV. The problem is that there is not as much good book material in books 4 and 5 as Martin seems to think there is.

    In my opinion, books 4 and 5 could have been combined into one book, cutting out more than half of the material, and the combined book still would not have as much good story in it as book 3 does. Season 4 should mostly cover the second half of book 3. I hope that season 5 covers both books 4 and 5 (and perhaps even the beginning of book 6). Then the TV writers may have to start writing their own conclusion (with Martin's outline) in seasons 6 & 7, since I doubt Martin will be finished with book 6, let alone book 7, in time.
     
  13. ozzman73

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    For those that like to look up characters, plots, genealogy of GoT without spoilers, This website:

    http://towerofthehand.com/

    Does a great job in that the first time you go there, you set your scope, how much of the show you have watched or have read. No spoilers that way.
     
  14. Rob Helmerichs

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    In fact, one of the great ironies of GoT (the books) is that Martin started the series when he quit Hollywood, in frustration at all the things you can't do on TV.

    His intent was to write unfilmable books. :D

    (And of course when he started the series, it would have been almost inconceivable that a decent TV show could ever be made from it, both in terms of content in a pre-HBO time, and budget in a pre-CGI time.)
     
  15. jakerock

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    I don't think that means what you think it means. :D

    Sorry couldn't resist.

    As far as the secret tunnel, I haven't seen the dang episode yet because my wife likes to safe it for the weekend so any theory I had was purely hypothesis.
     
  16. TAsunder

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    The solution to the show catching up to the books is, clearly, to have Martin write Season 6 and 7 of the TV series and then adapt that into the book later. He would have to do it with Benioff and Weiss standing over his shoulder, though, otherwise those seasons would be 100 episodes each.
     
  17. Mr. Soze

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    I'm not sure I'd bother reading books 6 and 7 if the show preceded them.
     
  18. DreadPirateRob

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    Assuming they are following the book here, they are now at the Nightfort, one of the many uninhabited castles along The Wall. Although they didn't really show either Sam/Gilly or Bran/Hodor/Jojen/Meera looking at (or even approaching) The Wall, which would have given us a visual clue as to where they are.

    Sam/Gilly came in through The Black Gate which is an enchanted gate which will only open when member of the Night's Watch recites a vow in front of it. So it doesn't really matter if it's secret or not, I suppose.
     
  19. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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  20. Dawghows

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    Thanks to all for helping me out here. I completely forgot that they were at the Nightfort. I've read the book, and I even remembered the enchanted gate, but for whatever reason I totally spazzed out on the fact that they're AT THE WALL already. Duh.
     

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