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Game of Thrones S03E04 "And Now His Watch is Ended" 2013-Apr-21

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by john4200, Apr 22, 2013.

  1. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    Not an issue. Martin may never finish the books, but if the prospects for the HBO show remain good, they will finish the series. That may actually be a good thing, since Martin seems to have (temporarily? permanently?) lost the thread of the story. Maybe the HBO writers can produce a better ending than Martin can.
     
  2. jakerock

    jakerock Hey ho howdy! TCF Club

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    I guess that is a positive way of looking at it. Of course it could just end up being a repeat of Deadwood.

    Since I'm heavily invested in the story I'd really like him to finish it. Having said that the series has done an excellent job of keeping me (as a reader) very happy with how closely they've followed the themes and movements (if not the specific story details).

    I'd really like him to get his act together, wrap this up in another few books in the next five years and let me get on with my life. :p
     
  3. rorrim

    rorrim Runs with Scissors

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    In a list of 10, "Hawk the Slayer" will always show up. And that should be the best proof that there are not 10 epic fantasy shows/movies better than Game of Thrones :)
     
  4. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    I had to look that up on IMDB. Evil Voltan, huh?
     
  5. rorrim

    rorrim Runs with Scissors

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    By looking it up on IMDB, you are one step away from seeing a truly horrific fantasy movie. Resist the temptation and forget that I mentioned it :)
     
  6. Ereth

    Ereth Well-Known Member

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    One point to add.. according to the producers, Martin has already told them how it ends. So even if they catch up to him, they have a roadmap of where to go. It might be interesting to see the book come out AFTER the show, with greater details.

    I suppose I should also say that Martin has made a point that the two medium are telling somewhat different stories. Characters who are dead on the TV show are very much alive in the books and at least one will have a significant role in the next book. Yet that character being dead on TV means that story will have to change for the TV show.

    So we should expect differences.
     
  7. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    It could end up like Scott Pilgrim, where the movie ended up being written before O'Malley finished the comics & they couldn't wait for him any more. He told them how it ended, and they then changed the ending anyway (and then I believe he changed his ending as well).
     
  8. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    In addition to what's been said, both S3 and S4 of the show will cover the plot from the third book, so that buys GRRM another year to get the books done. And they could do two seasons for future books as well.
     
  9. stellie93

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    I have faith in Martin. His books are awesome and I'm sure he knows what ending he's working toward. That said, I would have no problem with the TV show getting ahead of the books as long as both eventually finish. While book 5 isn't as good as the first 3, I wouldn't say he's lost the thread of the story. He's just added a few more threads in there.

    Who's dead on the show and not in the books? I can't think of anyone. :confused:
     
  10. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    I've never been worried about the ending. I just get the feeling he's gotten mired down in the middle. (Although the last book finally gives the impression that he's starting to get the pieces in place.)
     
  11. john4200

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    He wrote in his blog, repeatedly, that there was a knot that he could not work out. So he certainly lost the thread at one point, by his own admission. Of course, he came up with some sort of resolution, but I think I am not alone in finding it unsatisfactory in some ways.

    However, all of that is secondary to the fact that Martin is taking many years to finish each book, and he is old, and overweight. Even if he is mentally capable of finishing the books, who knows when his body may fail him?
     
  12. Anubys

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    That someone is me! :)

    I probably didn't express myself as well as I wanted. As far as the show is concerned, they seemed to have made it clear and moved on. What was telling, to me, was the conversation Ned and the King (blast it, I just can't remember his name) had during their "picnic".

    As I understand it, both of them knew what happened. The king was fuzzy on the woman's name, but not on the details of the affair. Ned was young and clearly fell in love (and, remember, his marriage to Cat was anything but for love). If Ned was lying to everyone about Jon, he had no need to lie at that instant as the king knew the truth.
     
  13. audioscience

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    Martin has already said in an interview that he's told his producer how the rest of the story goes, just in case he doesn't make it to the end himself.
     
  14. Ereth

    Ereth Well-Known Member

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    Spoilers I suppose are required to answer that.

    Taken from here: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Characters_significantly_changed_between_books_and_TV_series

    Before they even leave the Red Waste, Rakharo dies, decapitated by Khal Jhaqo, his severed head returned to Dany on his horse. Rakharo does not die in the books, but is alive and well throughout the Qarth storyline. Instead, the character that Jhaqo kills in this manner is one of Daenerys' handmaidens, Eroeh.

    Moreover, in the books, Doreah dies of a wasting disease while crossing the Red Waste. She was always loyal to Daenerys, and at her death, Dany personally buried her, and wept as she did so. In this light, Rakharo's death may have been meant to stand in for Doreah's death (or simply, both Doreah and Eroeh). While on the subject, Mago didn't die in the books either, but instead abandoned Daenerys after Drogo's death to become the new chief lieutenant of Khal Jhaqo. Mago was killed in the TV series in an invented fight with Khal Drogo

    Pyat Pree was one of the Warlocks who survived Drogon's destruction of their headquarters, and has vowed revenge against Daenerys.

    Because Xaro never outright betrayed Daenerys in the books, she never locked him in his vault to (apparently) die. Moreover, Xaro actually is a fabulously wealth man in the books: there is never any hint that he has a "vault", much less, that the vault is actually empty. Xaro is alive and well in later books, along with Pyat Pree.

    Daenerys' handmaiden Irri is killed in the TV series when the dragons are stolen; because they were not stolen in the books, she is alive and well in later novels.
     
  15. stellie93

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    Thanks for the info. As with most of the changes in the show, I don't see where any of these people living or dying will make much difference. I guess for the producers of the show to make changes in the interest of brevity, they do need to know Martin's plans even after book 5 to be sure to leave all the vital characters breathing. Or they could just bring them back from the dead. ;)
     
  16. Ereth

    Ereth Well-Known Member

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    Well the one he mentioned in an interview that will be a significant difference between the TV show and the books is:

    Khal Drogos right hand man Mago, who was killed in the TV show in a fight that never happened in the books. In the books he went off to take over one of the Dothraki Khals, and his Khal will be encountering, and interfering, with Daenerys in a book to be published later.

    The TV show can easily skip over that, it's true, but it is a difference.
     

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