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Future TIVO (Series 5?) - 2013

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by ghuido, May 21, 2012.

  1. jmpage2

    jmpage2 Active Member

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    My AVR and my displays are all pretty much capable of converting 1080p/24 to 60fps. The thing that The TiVo Faithful are always missing is the big picture.

    The big picture is that if TiVo does not get a highly compelling all-room solution that supports lots and lots (and lots) of streamed content, they are screwed, at least in the retail market.

    People worrying about things like output resolutions, 6 (or 8) tuner boxes, hot swappable hard drives, synchronized scheduling between scads of TiVo units they have, etc ad naseum are basically TiVos hard core fringe users and probably less than 1% of the users out there. No matter how faithful, loyal and evangelical these users are, they are not enough to sustain TiVo as a business. TiVo needs highly compelling, easy to deploy products that cater to mom and pop.

    Mom and pop are way, way more concerned about things like being able to watch their TiVo in another room of their house (without needing a separate transcoder device), side-load content to their iPad for their family road trip (without a separate transcoder device), etc, and probably don't give a crap about whether their TiVo box is outputting native display formats when their TV probably just deinterlaces or does 3:2 pulldown, etc, on whatever the TiVo sends.

    Catering to "the fringe" is a great way of going out of business. This is exactly why Nest has completely blown off the whiners who keep asking for SDKs so that they can put wallpaper of their dogs on their electronic thermostats.
     
  2. aaronwt

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    Mine are too as well as my external scaler. But I do have an issue with the DD+ on Netflix from the TiVos when it resyncs when going from 720P to 1080P24 or when FF or REW a streaming title. Having the TiVo output 1080P60 would avoid this issue(My Roku2 doesn't have a problem) or having an option to only stream at 1080P24 would work as well. Although I would prefer it to only output 1080P24. Since I have no bandwidth issues and once it starts playing the 1080P24 stream, it stays with that during the entire title without having to drop down to a lower reosolution stream.

    Ultimately, the new Broadcom chip does have 1080P60 output capability. So if an S5 uses that chip, like it should be, the S5 TiVo will have 1080P60 output capability.
    This would directly cater to the average TiVo user. Since your average user has no desire to see a blank screen for a second or two every time HDMI needs to resync with a resolution change. With 1080P60 output this issue is avoided and makes the experience much better for your average user.

    So from that perspective, 1080P60 output is not catering to a Fringe user but to the mass market user. Which makes 1080P60 output even more of a priority.
     
  3. jmpage2

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    I am not opposed to TiVo doing anything you guys are asking for, I'm simply pointing out that they have much bigger fish to fry and that this stuff is probably not a priority for them.
     
  4. sbiller

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    Wow. Very well said!

    I think the current team at TiVo understands this hence the reason they make quite a few people on TCF unhappy. Whatever TiVo deploys needs to be rock-solid, very easy to use with mass appeal. They should look to the fringe for possible ideas that could lead to innovation that appeals to the mass market.
     
  5. speed_phreak

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    If this thread is a "wish list" for the Series 5...

    What about the feasibility of integrating a Tuning Adapter?

    More tuners would be nice, but I can get that with a series 4... An integrated tuning adapter may convince me to open my wallet...
     
  6. aaronwt

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    You can get six tuners with a series 4? A series 4 can only handle 8 or 9 concurrent streams. Putting six tuners in an S4 would not be a good idea when you might need more streams when recording six things, watching on the main box and sending content to several IP STBs.

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  7. lpwcomp

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    NO NO NO NO NO.
    1. I don't want the kludge that is the TA integrated into the TiVo.
    2. A TA is not the only way to handle SDV. IP back-channel anyone?
    3. I doubt if there is any standard.
    4. Not every cable system uses SDV.
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That's not possible anyway. The whole reason we have TAs is because different cable systems use different technologies for SDV. TiVo tried to convince them to use a standard IP based solution, but settled for TAs instead. Now we're stuck with them until something replaces CableCARDs. (come on AllVid!)

    Dan
     
  9. mrsean

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    I don't consider hot-swappable hard drives or 6 tuners fringe items; maybe a year ago but not now. Verizon's 6 tuners whole home solution is debuting this winter so TiVo will need to have something comparable out soon after. Also, hot-swappable drives could save TiVo tech support and customers a lot of grief since 90% of TiVo hardware failures are related to the hard disk.
     
  10. mattack

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    Umm, isn't the major reason it's unreliable due to it being separate equipment? Yeah, people have problems with cable cards too, but not as much.
     
  11. lpwcomp

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    There are standards for CableCARDS. There are none for TA's, just some basic FCC requirements about minimum supported simultaneous channels.
     
  12. nrc

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    TiVo will never offer a consumer model with hot swapable drives. It wouldn't save any grief. Right now they send out a new unit and the failed unit is returned an refurbed. The typical customer service rep is lucky if they can accurately diagnose whether the problem is hardware or software. They're not going to start attempting to diagnose hard drive failures.

    Pace has already announced that they'll offer a 6 tuner TiVo unit for MSOs. I doubt that TiVo will build their own just to offer it in the retail market.
     
  13. mattack

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    Where has this been announced? The Pace one that is.
     
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    After all that has been said in this thread, I still think adding 1000baseT and software to gang multiple series 4 boxes together is the most cost effective low volume bang per buck enhancement they can do.

    The boxes steam well together now. I like to record a series and then watch a season's worth of shows in a few days.
     
  16. aaronwt

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    For me, I typically will only watch a bunch of episodes in a row when the shows are available from a streaming site or BD. Then I don't have to worry about FF through commercials. I had recorded the final season of chuck and it still sits on one of my Elites. At this point I'm just going to watch the BD when it's released instead of watching what I recorded from the local station.

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  17. Johncv

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    BD? Are you referring to Blueray Disk? If so, do you rent or buy them?
     
  18. lrhorer

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    No, it is unreliable because it is a bad design, mandated by committee. There were several possible solutions, and they chose the worst for purely specious reasons. Starting off with a bad design philosophy, they then saddled the platform with a number of "features" CableLabs should never have been allowed to implement, and rushed it to market.
     
  19. lrhorer

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    Even those were implemented well after the fact, and it mostly affects CableCards, not so much the TA.

    Face it, folks, unless there is some fairly serious regulation reform or some serious shakeup at CableLabs, no DVR of any sort will ever have a built-in TA.
     
  20. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    While the FCC decided not to mandate a method for implementing SDV, they did in fact adopt some minimal requirements regarding TA's (while not specifically referring to them as such), FCC Rule 76.1205(b)(4):

     

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