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Future TIVO (Series 5?) - 2013

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by ghuido, May 21, 2012.

  1. BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Active Member

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    A 6-tuner box is a niche for individual box usage, but not as a whole-home solution. The primary purpose of these kinds of boxes is to do all the heavy-lifting for inexpensive IP STB boxes placed around the rest of the house. By and large this scenario reduces long term costs. This is where cable is going, so it'll be where Tivo goes.

    But sure, if someone doesn't want to go all-in with Tivo hardware or they don't have more than one or two TVs, then don't get an XL6 model. There would be no point in that case.
     
  2. mattack

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    I completely disagree, since the way Tivos work now, BOTH TUNERS are taken up if you simply record VERY POPULAR programming and actually want to see all of it! (e.g. CBS Mondays, and NBC Thursdays). You HAVE to add a minute of end padding to all of the shows(*) to actually see the entire show.

    When I had 2 working 2 tuner Tivos, that fit most of my needs.. But 6 tuners in one box is very compelling.

    (*) Lately, CBS *sometimes* needs padding and sometimes doesn't. NBC always does. But since I don't know beforehand if it needs padding, obviously I have padding added.
     
  3. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

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    I'm not sure I would consider NBC Thursdays a very popular anything. They continue to have record low ratings. All of the shows are aging and past their prime (except Up All Night which doesn't have a big audience anyway).
     
  4. megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

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    My money would be on the S5 using the Broadcom BCM7435 (Yes, 74*3*5), which is the new, big brother to the BCM7425. Humax has a prototype DVR on display at The Cable Show using this chip. It has *8* QAM tuners (though CableCARD still only supports 6, the other two would have to be Clear QAM or something else), 8 DOCSIS 3.0 'tuners', another performance boost in the CPU cores, and *four* built in H.264 transcoders. Humax expects their DVR to be available to MSOs in 1Q13.
     
  5. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    It could also use the ability to convert 1080p24 to 1080p60 (or 1080i30, for that matter) for older televisions which can't accept a 24p source (like mine).
     
  6. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I don't need padding on the few NBC shows I record. Like Law and Oder SVU. It starts and stops at the correct time without padding or missing any of the show on my recordings from OTA and FiOS.
     
  7. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    IN 2013 the box had better be able to scale to 1080P60. Otherwise that would just be absurd. I've been inputting 1080P60 into my main HDTV since 2005. In the year 2013 no HD device should be limited to 1080P24 pass through as the max resolution.
     
  8. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    So wouldn't the 8 QAM tuner box just have two cable card slots to handle the eight tuners? And use four tuners on each cable card.
     
  9. lpwcomp

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    There were a couple of times during the past season where I needed 4 tuners even w/o padding. 9PM on both Thursdays and Fridays. This was all broadcast network stuff so no option to pick up a later showing. Needing 3 was even more common.

    For me, Fox is the one that usually requires padding at both ends. During football season, CBS Sunday needs a lot. I had my SP for "CSI:Miami" padded by an hour. Luckily, it is the last thing on so no real conflicts. Did sometimes miss a second or so of "The Good Wife". Other sporting events have been known to cause similar problems on the other networks.
     
  10. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Add to that sports games that happen during prime time and quite often I do need 5 tuners. And I'm already careful to dedicate specific DVRs to specific network channels which helps reduce conflicts - NBC & CBS on 1 Premiere, ABC & FOX on another, and then using S3 OLED when 4 tuners can't cover things.
     
  11. mikeyts

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    It's absurd already--any crap $60 BD player can do this; every BD player ever made can.
     
  12. jmpage2

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    And any decent AVR made in the last year or two can convert any resolution out of the TiVo to any resolution that you want to send to your display.

    Until broadcasters support 1080p/60 (they don't) there's no reason for TiVo to support it.
     
  13. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Netflix streaming is the main reason it is needed in my use. Of course if they changed it so it would only stream at 1080P24, then that would be the best option for me to allow my DUO to continue to be used for scaling.
     
  14. mikeyts

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    As has been pointed out ad nauseum in various threads in these forums, TiVo is the "One Box"--it's not about just broadcast television anymore. Again, it doesn't need to output p60; conversion to i30 would do, though p60 would be better. All four other devices that I own which can play 1080p24 Netflix can convert to p60 (2 BD players, a PS3 and a Roku 2; only one of them can output it as p24). You shouldn't have to buy a recent model AVR to make up for this bizarre design deficiency.
     
  15. jmpage2

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    If TiVo is trying to be the "one box" then they are failing miserably and should address content issues before they worry about piddly issues like supporting 1080p/60.
     
  16. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    It's only "piddly" if it doesn't affect you. Unlike other deficiencies of TiVo-as-the-"One Box", it's probably something which can only be dealt with in hardware, which is why I brought it up in this thread. Creating another generation of boxes which are physically incapable of outputting a 1080p24 stream as i30 or p60 would be ridiculous.
     
  17. mattack

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    What exactly are these? Does this mean something like U-verse?
     
  18. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    DOCSIS is cablemodem tech (Data Over Cable Service Interface Specification).
     
  19. tootal2

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    Im not going to buy one if it does not have ota and 4 tuners

     

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