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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by ebf, Apr 20, 2012.
He had some heavy duty old man makeup going on.
Were you watching in HD?.
I wasn't sure if it was make-up or FX...I did notice that in face shots his head tended to be very still with no camera movement, which hinted to me that the aging could be digital...
But it was clearly there!
Oops. I meant to. But did that when I first woke up and apparently put it in bold. Apologies to everyone.
Two more versions: half-brained and full-brained. Both were awesome.
I thought this was a great episode. The hour flew by for me.
Spoiler, bold text, same basic principle...
what this show really really needed was a future world and the introduction of new characters because clearly the multiple dimensions and several sets of characters in different worlds wasn't enough.
I don't understand why they couldn't just hoist it up in the air, put a mattress under it.
The thing is that the Observers have spent all their efforts making sure that Henry never came into existence, The Henry who would have had Fauxlivia as a mother.
September's mistake in Walternate's lab in the first season was not in distracting Walternate from the cure. It was in not factoring in the blue universe where Walter saw the cure being validated, came over and started the colliding of the two universes.
I'm pretty sure that September was there to prevent Peter from being cured. To prevent Peter from growing up, marrying Fauxlivia and their having Henry. It was Henry the Observers knew would grow up to be the their nemesis.
Then they erased Peter (and therefore Henry) from whatever eddy in the time stream September had created to use Peter to build the bridge. And having erased Henry through this multi-decade and multi-time stream effort, they thought they were done.
So Henrietta sort of slipped through the cracks. I think she got her ability to stay invisible to the Observers through either an epigenic inheritance from Olivia, or from being deliberately exposed to Cotexiphan as a youngster by her parents and grandfather. September also may have known a way to keep her safe and used it.
I was following pretty good up until they broke out the second amber. I only saw William Bell in there--no idea how he got there--but evidently Peter was in there too? So why are you saying he was removed? So Desmond pushed Peter out and Walter somehow broke off Wm. Bell's hand? Or something that makes more sense that I totally missed....
Great twist anyway. Didn't see evil Observers coming at all. Poor September must have been the best of his race.
Are there female Observers, or do they just abuse the "natives?" And is it possible for observers to grow hair?
It is the A (or Blue) side. Massive Dynamics does not exist except in the Blue universe. The good Nina Sharp only exists in the Blue universe. Simon could only drink coffee in college on the Blue side.
The Red universe could still exist and just not have been mentioned. It could be that once the bridge served its purpose in healing, the machine was destroyed and now the two universes are separate and isolated.
In fact, the thing that Bell did might have been to strand Olivia in the Red universe by making it impossible to use her Cortexiphan talents to come back. This would set up a #WhereIsOliviaBishop scenario for Season 5.
And I really don't see the two universes merged together scenario happening. I think it would destroy both.
I am wondering if the full brained Walter is the Walter from before Bell did the surgery to remove those pieces of his brain? The rather short way he treated Simon and Etta after recovering strikes me as the version of Walter he was trying to get away from when he asked Bell to do the surgery,
The timing confused me.
The daughter said she was 4 years old when the observers took over, which was 21 years earlier in 2015. The episode was in 2036. So the daughter is 25.
That means Olivia would have been pregnant in 2010 and/or 2011, and given birth in 2011. But she isn't pregnant in any of the current timelines we have seen this season, which is 2011/2012.
For much the same reason Roger Rabbit couldn't get out of the hand-cuffs until it was funny. They couldn't do it because it wasn't a cool dramatic visual.
She was 4 when she lost her parents. that would be 2016. So she was born in 2012. And Olivia is probably pregnant right now.
Given that he was, I'm thinking this isn't the future of either universe in either timeline. Walter talked to Astrid about something bad that Bell had done to Olivia. I suppose it could have been the Cortexiphan trials when she was a kid, but Walter was just as much a part of that as Bell.
I'm thinking this is the "original" timeline with only one universe, and the device that Walter builds to stop the observers is what leads to the universe splitting, and causes the other timelines that we have seen.
In this timeline, there was no other universe for Bell to run off to, so perhaps he continued his Cortexiphan trials with Olivia.
Yeah, I had that same thought. They didn't even think to put something soft against the wall he was hitting. I guess they figured those cardboard boxes were good enough to absorb the impact. That's probably what really caused the brain damage.
No...it was 2015 when she lost them. So the timing makes no sense.
No, sadly I'm still in SD hell. But, he didn't look that much older to me.
In HD the closeups of him really showed the aging makeup/effect, I didn't have any trouble making it out that he was 22ish years older.
Might I respectfully suggest you're figuring it wrong? And if you still disbelieve me, review the recording?
Maybe that's why she wasn't in this episode...