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Fringe - "Brave New World: Part 1" - 5/4/12

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by mrdazzo7, May 4, 2012.

  1. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    Wait a minute...is this the Free Will vs. Predestination thread?
     
  2. matt@thehickmans

    matt@thehickmans Hemo_jr

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    Since Bell was in the 2036 amber with (most of) the rest of the Fringe team rather than being dead or in jail, I'm going to say he is not the bad guy. Nor, really, was DR Jones.

    Nor was there ever a plot to collapse the universes, take over the world with nanites (shades of Jake 2.0!), or use the new shape-shifters to infiltrate and control the world that way. It was all part of a ruse de guerre orchestrated by Belly to force Olivia to be able to use and control her powers.

    Most of the earlier attempts were failures that only resulted in the team thwarting the attempts for world destruction and domination. This time Bell was a bit more clever. First he planted the the Rebecca Mader character, put her life in danger and made her sympathetic to Olivia with the story of the daughter. Notice the call she made just as her temperature started its rise? That was to inform Bell that Olivia was there and she was in a position to stimulate the use of Liv's powers. When this happened, it cracked the shell that was holding Olivia's powers back.

    Then Peter was put in danger by a man Olivia was taught to believe the most evil and dangerous in the universe. She was placed where she could only see, but not act. She was forced to to use her powers deliberately and and with conscious control. This totally shattered the shell preventing Olivia from using her powers.

    Olivia is still the soldier that Walter and Belly originally sought to create. Only this time she wasn't there to fight a war between the universes, but rather is there to fight the invaders from the future, the Observers.

    In S2 e3 ("Fracture") former Army colonel Raymond Gordon discovered the Observers and was turning people into bombs to try to take them out. He (correctly as we know now) saw them as an invading force that needed to be stopped. This was, of course, in the timeline where Peter existed. What if in this new timeline Gordon and Belly got together and Gordon was able to show Belly the threat?

    Belly is playing his chess game secretly against the Observers and needs his queen (Olivia) to be unrestricted in her moves. He needs her to know all her powers and be able to use them deliberately and effectively. He has now succeeded.

    Also note that cortexiphan has regenerative powers. It could be used to heal Astrid. It could be that Mr. X does shoot Olivia (ergo Etta's bullet necklace) and the cortexiphan she has be treated with saves her life because it gave her self-healing powers. Nor would I put it past the writers to have Mr X shoot Olive to prove to her and the rest of the teams that she does have these powers.

    Also, I speculate that Belly sends Olivia to the Observer's future (2609) to stop the invasion, and that she fails (and this is the reason for Walter's antipathy for him in last week's 2036 episode). That Etta is given a course of cortexiphan when she is four which gives her the power to remain invisible to the Observers and perhaps more. That Etta (& the rest of the team?) will also go to 2609, meet up with Olivia and save the world.

    Now this might not be the Etta from the 2036 timeline. In fact Olivia's pregnancy may be accelerated as well as Etta's maturation. (ala season 1 episode 2 - "The Same Old Story").

    I understand that the producers of Fringe originally had a 7 season plan -- which would have ended the series in the Spring of 2015 and the Observer invasion. So they may be using some tricks to get things so they complete next season.
     
  3. jamesbobo

    jamesbobo with a grain of salt

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    I'm not too sure about that. This could of been his plan to get rid of Jones all along.
     
  4. wprager

    wprager Active Member

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    There are strong separatist leanings in both Quebec and British Columbia. So while they may be in the same country, they both wish they weren't.

    A lot of people in Canada cheered when the Vancouver Canucks were tossed in the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs. Vancouver is a beautiful city (never been there, but my wife has) but it's been getting a steadily worsening reputation in the rest of Canada.
     
  5. wprager

    wprager Active Member

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    Did anyone else get this uneasy feeling from seeing Nimoy's teeth? Clearly not real, way too white.
     
  6. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    If the network affiliates would show the end credits as intended (NOT all squished down to the bottom 1/8 of the screen), the negotiation might be a little easier.

    We don't know what was going on when Walter set off the amber device. We've only seen individuals (including Belly) as they were cut from the amber.
    IOW, there's a bigger picture here.
    I predict by the end of the next episode, we'll have seen all the events that lead up to (and include) Walter setting off the amber device.
     
  7. Johncv

    Johncv Active Member

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    I don’t think William Shatner will be showing up on “Fringe” JJ Aberham can not stand the actor from what I read somewhere.
     
  8. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh.

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    The most disturbing thing about this episode was in the opening when the guy paid $4.80 for a frickin' coffee. That and the muzak version of Billy Idol's Eyes Without A Face.

    I got excited when Astro started kicking bad guy ass. Then she got shot. That part sucked.
     
  9. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista

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    Have you not bought coffee at a Starbucks lately? They are not any cheaper than that! :thumbsdown:
     
  10. Anubys

    Anubys KMT Soccer Playa

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    I totally forgot about the reset and could not understand how Bell died in a car accident. Thank God for TCF.

    I love how people shoot guns down a tunnel and totally miss a straight ahead shot. Even with a machine gun, it seems! :rolleyes:
     
  11. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    These people obviously haven't been spending enough time playing Call of Duty...
     
  12. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista

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    Or they clearly aren't from Walking Dead!
     
  13. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    You think that by the end of the next episode, Walter, Peter, Astrid, and Bell will be encased in amber? :confused: if so, what will the final 13 episodes be?
     
  14. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    I heard Eyes Without A Face and thought it was foreshadowing that all those people's faces were going to melt or something and they'd be left with only eyes.
     
  15. danterner

    danterner Not it!

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    Not very exciting.
     
  16. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

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    Closed Captioning said $80 :eek:
     
  17. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    This just makes me smile :D

    But yeah, Bell wasn't in Star Trek, Nimoy was LOL

    For those of you who don't remember, I ranted in another thread about referring to a character in another show by his character in a previous show, and that how some of us who didn't see that previous show, would have no clue what they were talking about.
     
  18. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I didn't see Nimoy's name in the credits, so when I first saw him, I was wondering if they found an actor who looked a bit like Nimoy to play Bell. There was just a weird look about him in those scenes. The teeth yes, but there was more that I can't place.
     
  19. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I was thinking the same thing! There was one point where they kind of hesitated and the baddies started shooting, and like a second later they dove out of the way. IRL there would have been NO way they could have missed. But as I am fond of saying, it's only TV.
     
  20. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    Why not? We've already been introduced to Olivia's daughter and the other Fringe agent. I could see them opening up the season in 2036 and run with Etta and her crew for a couple of episodes until we get to the point where they are un-amber-ized.

    BTW, it would have a strange Return of the Jedi vibe if they were encased in amber lol.
     

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