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Fringe 5/11/12 "Brave New World Part 2"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Rob Helmerichs, May 11, 2012.

  1. Johncv

    Johncv Active Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Chula Vista, CA
    But that would have created another universe. :)
  2. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    I'm guessing that in this universe, he had the rank of Colonel, but his agency simply doesn't use that and called him "Agent."
  3. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

    Jan 30, 2005
    Boston, MA
    But in this universe, he works for the FBI. That's not a valid FBI rank...
  4. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    I think it's explained fairly easily by saying that the bullet killed her instantly, thus terminating her ability to regenerate because the bullet was lodged in that part of her brain where the healing began. By removing the bullet, the healing could then begin to take place, which not only healed the brain, but then had the effect of "reversing" her death.
  5. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    Maybe not in the "Blueverse." But what about in the "Amberverse?"

  6. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    You may be able to write that easily, but it is certainly not an explanation. For that to work, it would require that the bullet stopped in the exact 0.1% of her brain volume that just happened to be magically responsible for accelerated healing (which makes no sense anyway, but leave that aside). I doubt even an Observer could have managed that shot.
  7. Idearat

    Idearat Active Member

    Nov 26, 2000
    The bullet in the brain preventing her from regenerating reminded me of the cheerleader in Heroes. There was a similar instance where she had a large wooden stake in her head and didn't revive and regenerate until it was removed.

    Not an explanation, just a TV sci-fi precedent.
  8. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Yeah, the same thing occurred to me. The notion that it's the brain that does the regeneration work, and as long as something is interfering with the brain, it can't function.

    Which is actually much more solid of a scientific explanation than Fringe usually graces us with...usually they just toss out some scientific jargon-words and hope that we don't notice those words have nothing to do with what they're explaining. :D
  9. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    It's TV, I couldn't care less if there was any "real" scientific explanation or not. There's no good scientific explanation for most of what goes on here, including the main plot point of traveling between universes. So, I just go with it. It's fun and entertaining and that's all I care about.
  10. jasrub

    jasrub Member

    May 9, 2008
  11. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    I will say, it's kind of fun watching people on here running through hoops trying to find a real explanation that would work, or, even better, getting upset because what happen just isn't "plausible" enough. :D
  12. gchance

    gchance 4 8 15 16 23 42

    Dec 6, 2002
    Olivehurst, CA
    They did something similar on Highlander in the early 90s... an immortal character drowned in the middle of the ocean, and every time he'd revive, he'd immediately drown and die again. It took him a hundred years or so to rescue himself.

  13. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Quad Sillies
    This.....in HD...
  14. Church AV Guy

    Church AV Guy Active Member

    Jan 19, 2005
    high desert...
    I watched the last three episodes again last evening, and it seems rather obvious to me, and I apologize if this has been said already and I missed it, it seems obvious to me that they had intended Jones to be the bad guy the whole time. I'm sure they were in negotiations to get back Nemoy, but were not expecting that to happen. They wrote it in such a way that if it were to happen, then they could re-position Jones to be the primary agent for Nemoy, rather than the real evil mastermind himself. Since it happened, they filmed a quick, and too easy, death for Jones so Bell could step in as the real bad guy. That's why it seemed so abrupt, because it WAS. Before Bell's return, there was never any hint, that I can recall, of Jones answering to someone else.

    Again, aploogies if this has been said before.
  15. MikeMar

    MikeMar Go Pats

    Jan 7, 2005
    It's like 24. Catch the bad guy, OH another higher up bad guy. Catch that guy, oh ANOTHER higher up bad guy. Repeat
    With no indication how high it goes to start.
  16. gchance

    gchance 4 8 15 16 23 42

    Dec 6, 2002
    Olivehurst, CA
    Like the famous "German Group"? :p

  17. Craigbob

    Craigbob Active Member

    Dec 1, 2006
    Land of...
    It's turtles.... err bad guys all the way up. :rolleyes:
  18. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

    Nov 14, 2001
    Houston, TX
    Entertainment Weekly writers Darren Franich and Jeff Jensen (aka Doc Jensen) did a special episode of their "Entertainment Geekly" podcast last week devoted to the Fringe finale and this season as a whole. Great critical thinking on how the season turned out, what worked and what didn't. (Note: this is from a creative point of view, not the scientific one that at times arises in these threads.) I thought this made for excellent listening.

  19. mrdazzo7

    mrdazzo7 Active Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    all the discussion about the scientific validity of Olivia's regeneration is great, but am I the only confused about the fact Olivia even has the ability to regenerate? I know I wasn't paying full attention during every single episode but I feel like that's a big thing to miss-- Walter shooting her in the head then saying "we have to get the bullet out so she can regenerate (or whatever he said) was the first time in the entire series that I ever heard of Olivia even having that ability. Unless I just forgot?

    Anyway, I thought it was an ok finale. I think September was clearly talking about The Observers because otherwise that entire episode from a few weeks ago has no point... the whole point of it was to set up what the story would be if they came back for season five, and in that episode they mention that they fully take over I believe either in 2012 or in 2016, and since the show is only back for 13 final episodes, it wouldn't make sense for "they" to be some other big villain.
  20. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

    Jul 24, 2001
    Milwaukee, WI
    It was brought up in the previous episode ("Brave New World, Part One"). Blatantly stolen from the Fringepedia:

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