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Fringe 5/11/12 "Brave New World Part 2"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Rob Helmerichs, May 11, 2012.

  1. Kamakzie

    Kamakzie Are you serious bro?

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    Yes I agree the eye thing was really creepy! Also the antenna through Olivia's head made me a little queasy! Glad the show will be back for a final 13!
     
  2. danterner

    danterner Not it!

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    I bet Olivia will get great reception, now.
     
  3. stellie93

    stellie93 Active Member

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    Was anything Bell did connected to the Observers, or were they 2 different things? They mentioned having tech they shouldn't have had, or something....otherwise, I don't remember Bell saying anything about them. I expected them to be his whole reason for what he was doing, but he really didn't have a very good reason, did he? Because I can, maybe.

    It seemed obvious from the beginning that they needed to kill Olivia, but no one said it. Seemed odd, but then I didn't see it coming when Walter did it. I expected Olivia herself to do it.
     
  4. john4200

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    Not really. It would have been more consistent if the injury HAD healed within a few seconds of her getting shot, but with the bullet still inside her brain, and the brain tissue healed around it, and then she regained consciousness. Removing the bullet would not have been necessary to start the healing process, especially the part that was visible to us at the front of her head. Of course, infection would be an issue if someone actually survived getting shot in the head like that, especially with that dirty old bullet. Who knows where Bell has put it! :eek:
     
  5. Family

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    I hope Bell has deeper motives, because if that was it.... well I wouldn't consider this "The Big Payoff" we were promised.
     
  6. TampaThunder

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    Bell in some way must have been working with the Observers or some Observers. Otherwise, where did Bell and Jessica get the rune from that captured September? September knew of the technology but said that it was "beyond" them. So they had to have been given it.
     
  7. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

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    Yes, Bell had lymphomic cancer and was in the final stages.
    He'd also be dosing himself with Cortexiphan so I wonder if that also affected his mental status.

    Or Bell could have been planning this to avoid the Observer controlled future.
    It could go either way.
     
  8. matt@thehickmans

    matt@thehickmans Hemo_jr

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    Remember she was shot in the head by Walternate in the 2026 (The Day We Died) and stayed dead. The writers had to come up with some device that would explain how she lived in one and dies in the other event.

    Bell still has cancer and it may have metastasized to his brain, making him clinically insane.
     
  9. matt@thehickmans

    matt@thehickmans Hemo_jr

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    They used the same Special effects that were used for Alistair Peck in "White Tulip." (Joel Wyman acknowledged this on twitter last night) This suggests time travel. Either Bell has time travel (then why would he try collapsing the universes when he knows it is doomed to fail?) Or he was being transported through time by someone who does (his future self?)
     
  10. Malcontent

    Malcontent Aka: Smiling Bob

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    Or a side effect from Olivia being full of Cortexiphan when Etta was conceived.
     
  11. Test

    Test Active Member

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    Isn't Bell actually dead? Didn't they talk about him coming up with a way to "stay alive" and coming back by ringing a bell with a certain tone? I think they tried it and he inadvertently ended up in Olivia.
     
  12. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

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    I was thinking of that as Bell rang the bell to disappear, or whatever he did, this time. But Bell is/was alive in this version of the timeline. What you describe happened in the old timeline, pre-Peter's removal and restoration.
     
  13. Queue

    Queue UnbowdUnbentUnbrokn

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    I'm confused about the conversation with Broyles and the politician at the end.

    In the alternate verse he was colonel. In our universe he's agent. But the politician gave "our" Broyles a promotion from colonel to general.

    What was that about?
     
  14. Kamakzie

    Kamakzie Are you serious bro?

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    Peter and Olivia should be punched in the face for naming their daughter Henrietta!
     
  15. Johncv

    Johncv Active Member

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    Why?? September said “They” he never stated The “Other” are coming or The “Observers” are coming. Anyone could be coming. By stopping Bell Ark and Bell jumping back to the “Red” universe things could change in “Anber/Blue” universe. :D
     
  16. Johncv

    Johncv Active Member

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    You!! beat me to it, I thinking the same thing when Walter pick up the gun.
     
  17. BitbyBlit

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    But I think that's precisely why they had to get the bullet out quickly. If they had waited too long, her brain would have only partially healed with the bullet in there, and then they would have had to injure her more to get the bullet out. By then, there might not have been enough Cortexiphan left to regenerate her.

    Getting the bullet out of there as fast as possible was so that her brain could heal completely, and it also took advantage of the hole that was already in her head to get the bullet out. And I'm sure Olivia was glad not to have regained any sort of consciousness before Walter decided to punch another hole in the back of her head! :D
     
  18. john4200

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    No, that makes no sense, except as a TV trope. There is no reason the bullet's presence should pause the healing until the bullet is removed. If she can heal in 5 seconds (as appeared to be the case after the bullet was removed), then she should have healed 5 seconds after she was shot, with the bullet still in her brain. Granted, that is not an ideal situation, but that is what would be the most consistent thing to happen. The only reason it did not happen is because of the TV trope that a bullet must be removed ASAP and then all will be well.
     
  19. BitbyBlit

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    I agree there was a plot device in play there, but I think the plot device was the quick healing post-bullet removal, not the lack of healing before. They did wait a decent amount of time after removing the bullet before Olivia finally woke up. But yeah, it technically wasn't as long as the time after she was shot to when Walter starting poking her in the head. So it would have made more sense for them to have waited a few minutes before she finally healed.

    But I think they took dramatic license there because they didn't want to draw out the "will she or won't she" moment too long when most people probably would have figured she would have lived anyway. The tension was in seeing Peter and Walter hoping for her to return, not in us worrying about anything, so they drew things out just long enough for that.
     
  20. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh.

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    Walter should have shot Bell too.
     

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