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Fringe - 1/11/13 - The Boy Must Live

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by buckeyenut, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. wprager

    wprager Active Member

    Feb 19, 2006
    Ottawa, Canada
    No. The original timeline was the first three seasons. Then Peter did his thing and disappeared from existence. The next season (last season) started without Peter -- he never existed. But then he came back (still no idea how or, better question -- from where) and still, nobody believed him, because for them he never existed. Slowly Olivia and Walter started remembering things. The child Observer made Walter remember even more.

    Of course the term "remember" doesn't really apply, as Walter (in this timeline) never lived through those experiences.
  2. Cainebj

    Cainebj Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2006
    New York
    I like Fringe and am loving it now but somewhere in the middle I got really confused and only half watched it.

    I thought Walter was having all these memory issues because of that episode where Windmark did whatever he was doing to his brain?

    Might I say - Michael Cerversis was totally amazing in this episode.
    I've known him forever from his NY Broadway theater work.
  3. ADG

    ADG Allan

    Aug 19, 2003
    New Jersey, USA
    Great recap - and now I do indeed remember everything (at least everything that has happened in my timeline :) ). Thanks for all the help
  4. Cearbhaill

    Cearbhaill Garden obsessed

    Aug 1, 2004
    Heh- the timelines and merging is where I started sort of zoning out on the show, too.
  5. stellie93

    stellie93 Active Member

    Feb 25, 2006
    So are there still 2 parallel universes?

    They thought that if they go back and eliminate the Observers (who we found out were humans? yes?) then their daughter might still be alive in the resulting timeline. If September wasn't there to save Peter in the lake, would he even be in the resulting timeline, much less Etta? So very confused at this point.....:confused:
  6. scooterboy

    scooterboy Coney Island Small

    Mar 27, 2001
    Robin Williams? Never even crossed my mind.

    Once again, I'm amazed at the resemblances some see.
  7. wprager

    wprager Active Member

    Feb 19, 2006
    Ottawa, Canada
    For a split second I actually thought Kelsey Grammer.
  8. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    So, Windmark goes back in time to September's apartment and finds out that September just left, no more than an hour ago. So why not go back in time an hour? Seems easier than setting up a gigantic grid search and a bunch of roadblocks.

    It was nice of September to put a nice, bright flashing LED on his bomb to warn Windmark so that he would not get disintegrated.

    I had the same concern as stellie93. If they change time so that the Observers never exist, why do they think that will get Etta back? Even if Peter is still alive in the new timeline, he may never meet Olivia without the Observers, whose meddling (indirectly) helped bring the two of them together.

    I'm not sure why people think Michael is sacrificing himself so that Walter does not have to. The whole plan was to send Michael forward to a certain time. Michael cannot sacrifice himself before he goes forward in time.

    If Michael is so smart, why is he incapable of communicating with speech or writing? It seems to me that Michael is not a very impressive specimen. He is in his 30's, right? And after all that time living with humans, he still has not learned ordinary communication skills? Showing him to the people who invented the Observers may not impress them, and they may go on to create the Observers anyway.
  9. MikeMar

    MikeMar Go Pats

    Jan 7, 2005
    I really liked the explanation they gave of how the observers came to be.
  10. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Quad Sillies
    I thought Randy Quaid...
  11. secondclaw

    secondclaw Member

    Oct 3, 2004
    I don't think he went back in time. Later on he was explicitly forbidden to do that by his boss when he asked.
    That was my first reaction as well, and I was hoping Peter would tell that to Olivia when she asked why he isn't optimistic about getting Etta back. However it is possible that observing critical events in time would still happen and the timeline can be nearly same as before, including Bell's war, which wasn't dependent on Observers. So, fringe events would still occur and observers may still interfere. I am not liking this resolution though.

    All he needs to do is touch them, give them visions of a future and the alternate realities, like he did with Walter.

    The whole idea that September was captured, tech removed, then 'humanized', is preposterous. Especially of someone that was one of the original twelve, and has so much insider knowledge.
  12. Family

    Family Member

    Jul 23, 2001
    Funny I had pretty much pieced it together and known all this. I've forgotten a lot from this show (like what was the motive of the evil guy from the last few seasons), but everything about the Observers always seemed significant. Did anyone else feel September's explanation was a recap of what we mostly knew?

    So did Peter save his chip because it doesn't appear that keeping it in effected September long term? Wasn't Olivia's fear that her emotional Peter would be gone forever? It's not really logical that this group would defeat the intellect of the Observers UNLESS the head Observer understands that a "human" victory would be good for everyone. Why not evolve into something greater if you have the chance?
  13. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    Huh? Of course Windmark went back in time. He met with his boss in the future, then traveled back in time to find September / Donald.

    Windmark was forbidden from going back in time to the beginning of September's meddling to stop it.
  14. robojerk

    robojerk Active Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Laguna Hills CA
    Fringe seems to challenge it's viewers to try to understand wtf is going on.

    First they introduced parallel universe's.
    Then alternate time lines (with parallel universe's)
    Now invaders from a future time line, and they have some ambiguous rules about altering the time line. (Still with parallel universe's)

    I still like my theory that the observer's are from the parallel universe. It would certainly remove all the possible paradox's, and explain why they can do whatever their doing to our universe.

    Also September's plan to reset the time line (removing the observers) would take Peter away from Olivia. September wouldn't have distracted Walternate from finding the cure and child Peter would have been saved, removing the need for Walter to cross over to save the other Peter after losing his son from the disease.
  15. secondclaw

    secondclaw Member

    Oct 3, 2004
    Yes, Windmark returned to 2036 from meeting with his boss, but he resumed normal flow of time here. He didn't even go an hour before he left, or he would have caught September. That's what I was responding to. Of course , not using time travel is a curious restriction, considering the invasion is certainly meddling with the timeline, big time.

  16. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

    May 1, 2006
    Dallas, TX
    I did. It dawned on me a while back that "the boy that must live" was the child observer, and not Peter. September just confirmed it.

    That's what I love about this show. And people don't understand why I don't like sitcoms.

    I think that would be the easy way out. I hope the writers are better than that. The story doesn't have to have a nice neat happy ending.
    Hopefully they can write the ending in a way that leaves us satified, yet still allows for a full length movie ( I know, wishful thinking ).
    That is what I'm thinking. I think Peter realizes what is going to happen if the timeline gets reset to a time before the Observers invaded, and Olivia is not thinking clearly in the hopes of seeing Etta again.
  17. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    I was hoping the boy would start kung fu-ing the crap out of the loyalists and observers when he walked off the train. Now, I'm stuck in "Huh?" mode for a week.

    I know I complain about this kind of stuff a lot but c'mon, guys. You've got a wanted, bald headed boy and you're going to walk him around down town without a hat? Maybe you can't do an elaborate disguise but at least do something simple. Even Olivia's walking around with her blond hair flowing in the breeze. At least put some sunglasses on.
  18. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    Maybe I missed it somewhere, but it seems (mostly) that when they travel in time it is to meet with each other and they don't really meddle in the actual timeline. September broke that when he saved Peter. They are "observers" after all, they observe, not meddle. So perhaps the restriction is, that while they can travel through time, they cannot meddle for fear of "changing" something that would remove/change their existence. By September meddling, it appears that it is going to cause great change in the universe, and this is what the Observers don't want.

    I do love the explanation of how the Observers came to be. As preposterous as it is, it actually all kind of made sense...is believable.

    This will be on of the few shows in a long time that I'm gonna miss when it's gone. I groaned when they said that next week is it.
  19. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    I also get the impression that when they go from their time to ours, the connection is "fixed"...i.e., time at their end of the connection is passing at the same rate as time at ours, and they don't have a choice as to which point in time they will arrive.
  20. Anubys

    Anubys All About Footwork

    Jul 16, 2004
    I agree. Windmark needed a special permission to breach "the protocol" and go to a different time. Now, to be honest, I don't see how going back in time an hour to catch Donald would have changed anything except ensure that the 99.999% outcome is reached but, whatever!

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