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For Goodness sake, GET RID OF THE ANNOYING AUTO SLEEP!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by zubinh, May 15, 2013.

  1. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks! TCF Club

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    With dynamic tuner allocation now in place, why is any timeout required at all?

    Sometimes I like to leave live TV on all day. Or all night while I sleep. Why does a TiVo Mini max out at 4 hours?
     
  2. CrispyCritter

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    Because they don't have dynamic tuner de-allocation?
    If you've got 4 Minis in the house, then what you describe will turn a Roamio Pro into a 2 tuner DVR, which most folks would regard as insufficient.
     
  3. Fofer

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    Then they should have dynamic tuner de-allocation. What they have now (yet again, thanks TiVo :rolleyes: ) sounds like a half-hearted kludge.
     
  4. lpwcomp

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    :rolleyes: That's essentially what you have now. What you want is for a tuner to remain allocated to a mini until explicitly released.
     
  5. Fofer

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    Tomato, tomahtoe. I just want to leave the TV on for as long as I want to leave it on, playing live TV, without me having to trick it or fiddle with it.

    You know, like we've been able to do with TVs since the invention of TV's?
     
  6. CrispyCritter

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    That sounds very selfish on your part. It wasn't a half-hearted kludge by TiVo, it was addressing a different audience than YOU. The Roamio/multiple Minis is a whole-house DVR solution, and that isn't satisfied by what YOU want. (Dynamic tuner de-allocation has major problems in a family environment - there are no good answers, and what they have works reasonably for most folks.)
     
  7. Fofer

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    So wishing for a user option that allows the user to choose the length of time before live TV "times out" (yes, including an option for "never") is "selfish" on my part?

    Ooooookay. Whatever, man. What about homes with only one person, but multiple TV's?

    A user option would make everyone happy.
     
  8. lpwcomp

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    Agreed. But that is not what you asked for:

     
  9. CrispyCritter

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    Wanting an option is fine, calling TiVo's implementation a half-baked kludge because it doesn't address YOUR needs is selfish - TiVo deliberately chose to address their target audience.

    TiVo's initial implementation was a half-baked kludge, but it would have satisfied you. They promised to change it as soon as they could, and eventually did.

    TiVos would be a hard sell if they added every option that people here have wanted over the years. I agree that it would be better for you with an option, but options are expensive when support staffs has to be trained on them, and the support staffs in question are cable system reps. If TiVo wants to survive, they have to sell their TiVos to cable companies who very strongly are not happy with lots of options.
     
  10. Fofer

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    Right, so what we're left with is a TiVo Mini that can't simply display live TV all day or all night without manual intervention. LOL. Rationalization's a helluva drug.
     
  11. Fofer

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    Well, when dynamic tuner allocation was bestowed upon us, I guess I just assumed that this would also include (the obvious) tuner de-allocation as well. Silly me, I assumed TiVo's engineers would implement this in a way that was most flexible and elegant and useful, and not just go half-way.

    The TiVo Mini should be able to check with the host TiVo and see that no one has used that TiVo for a few hours either, and that there are no conflicting recordings, and there are enough free tuners available for upcoming recordings... and then be able to determine that the TiVo Mini doesn't need to "time out" to free up its tuner.

    In the absence of that capability, I would just like to see a user setting, to satisfy everyone's usage pattern.

    Regardless of my initial assumption, or what I "asked for" in this thread, I stand by my complaint and appreciate venting here. This strikes me as yet another disappointing implementation on TiVo's part. No surprise though, not do I expect TiVo to change at this point. It's par for the course...
     
  12. aaronwt

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    Well to have live TV playing for close to twelve hours you would need to touch the remote two more times after initially hitting live TV. I don't see the big deal.
     
  13. Fofer

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    Hmm. I think you've got to spread those touches out, in order to get the full 12 hours though. (The time out is always 4 hours after the last touch, yeah?)

    So if I turn it on at around 10 PM, get in bed, and want the TV to be playing all night while I sleep (the audio soothes me,) then what time do you suggest I set the alarm in order to wake up so I can hit the remote control, to maximize the length of live TV playback? Oh, and you suggest I do this twice?

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  14. lpwcomp

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    No need to set an alarm. If the loss of audio disturbs you that much, you'll wake up when the tuner is released.
     
  15. Fofer

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    It's not the loss of audio that disturbs me so much as it's the presence that soothes me. And the TiVo Mini has robbed me of this simple, comforting joy.
     
  16. aaronwt

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    Swap the locations of the Mini and the main TiVo.
     
  17. lpwcomp

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    I'm really sorry that a Mini snuck into your house and connected itself to your TV, thus "robbing" you of this small comfort. It is apparently so insidious that it is preventing you from connecting an antenna or swapping it with the full TiVo.

    If it doesn't wake you up, then what's the problem?

    Plus, I take it you've never experienced multiple, middle-of-the-night EAS alarms as I have.
     
  18. aaronwt

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    :eek: I would probably freak out for a few seconds if I heard that while sleeping.
     
  19. lessd

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    My wife likes to keep the TV on in both the kitchen and in the bedroom for long periods of time, solution, a Roamio in each of those locations, the Mini in the bath dressing area when she is not going to have the problem. Cost more, yes, but so does a wife fight.

    I think TiVo did this to keep the network from a non stop streaming operation, you go on a two week vacation and forget to unallocated the Mini(s) so it will be using the network for the next two weeks, with many Minis in a home this could cause a network problem.
     

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