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For Goodness sake, GET RID OF THE ANNOYING AUTO SLEEP!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by zubinh, May 15, 2013.

  1. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    So why do you think TiVo even put this sleep mode into the unit??? if not to cut down on network traffic.
     
  2. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    To free up the tuner for another Mini?

    I've run into the problem myself. I had set my alarm system and I had left the Mini in my main room on a channel. So since the tuner was not free for the Mini in my bedroom, I needed to disarm the alarm to get that remote to hit the TiVo button. Then I could go back to the bedroom to get access to that tuner. If I had my way I would have the option to give up the tuner in 15 to 30 minutes. Then I would be less likely to run into that situation.

    Streaming an SD or HD channel does not use much bandwidth. I'll transfer content at speeds of hundreds of mb/s for days sometimes from other devices over my network and it causes zero issues with bandwidth for other devices I use on my network. A TiVo Mini streaming a low bandwidth HD channel, even on a 100Mb/s network, should not cause any issues.
     
  3. lessd

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    I don't have two Minis but your saying that two Minis do not lock up two tuners on one TP-4, if the Mini is in the sleep mode you get to use all 4 tuners??, that not the way I understood the system, as I understood with two Minis and one TP-4 you now had a two tuner TP-4, if you wanted each Mini to be able to tune Live TV. But your saying if both Minis go to sleep I get back my two tuners ??? (With DTA you may be correct but we don't have DTA yet)
     
  4. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    What he's saying is you can choose to allocate only 1 tuner from your TP-4 and both Minis can then use that same 1 tuner, but not at the same time. i.e. The Mini side of things is already dynamic. It's the TP-4 side that currently is static.
     
  5. lessd

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    So your saying that if I have two Minis allocated to one tuner and I stop using Mini #1 for live TV, I have to wait 90 min. before I can use Mini #2 for live TV because Mini #1 has to go to sleep, just asking as I said I don't own two Minis and would like to know.
     
  6. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    As long as only 1 Mini needs live TV at a time either one can grab the dedicated tuner from the P4 right away. i.e. If you just press TiVo button on Mini #1 such that it is no longer in live TV mode then Mini #2 can grab the tuner from the P4 right away for live TV - no need to wait 90 minutes. If someone then attempts to use live TV on Mini #1 while Mini #2 is in live TV mode they will be denied access.
     
  7. lessd

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    OK I understand; Than what was the purpose (you think) that TiVo put in the sleep mode in the Mini in first place, my thought was to reduce local network traffic when the Mini was not in use, maybe TiVo though some local networks could be bogged down by this extra traffic??
     
  8. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Unnecessary network traffic I think is definitely one reason. Also note that streaming from host TiVo adds extra burden on that TiVo and slows it down, so no sense in having that extra load if nobody is making use of it. P4 units are already slow enough without that extra burden. But it's also useful when you have more than 1 Mini in the house and forget to get out of live TV mode on 1 of them. Personally I do like having this feature, but would be nice if TiVo made it configurable so you could either adjust timeout time including option for no timeout depending on your preference.
     
  9. bradleys

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    Wouldn't an HDMI handshake indicate that MINI was connected to a Television in an ON state?

    If the Television is ON, then the MINI should not time out.

    Does that make sense?
     
  10. lessd

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    :up:
     
  11. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily. What if I'm connecting through a receiver or HDMI switch or active splitter that is always on? Some TVs keep the HDMI handshake alive even when TV is off. What if I use the component breakout cable to connect to TV instead and not HDMI at all? There's too many permutations of connections to be able to make assumptions based on HDMI connection.
     
  12. Arcady

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    Some TV sets keep the HDMI handshake even when off. I know mine does. That's why the component outputs on a regular TiVo keep working even when I shut off the TV. On my old TV, the handshake broke when the TV was off, and I got a warning on the component outputs instead of video.

    edit: I didn't see the comment above this one when I replied.
     
  13. ckelly33

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    I'm considering a mini and I'm not sure I understand all of this. How does the time out work? If I'm watching a long football game is it going to ask me if I am still watching?
     
  14. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    If you don't use the remote for a certain amount of time.
     
  15. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Only if you never touch the remote for more than 90 minutes while watching. Personally I'm always using the remote periodically for something - either skipping commercials or adjusting sound or something, so it's never been an issue for me.
     
  16. HenryFarpolo

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    It isn't an issue for me, but it irritates my wife which by default makes it an issue for me.:confused:
     
  17. Loach

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    The time-out has become more annoying for me since the 20.3.1 update. Now when I receive the "Are you still there?" message and select "OK" to clear it, video and audio cease for a second or two. I don't actually miss any video or audio - it just seems to delay it like hitting the pause button would. Then when it comes back, I have to hit the Jump or FF button to get back to truly live TV. Really annoying when watching a sporting event.
     
  18. lpwcomp

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    Do you not have a smart phone?
     
  19. jmpage2

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    That's a rather wise-ass kind of remark to a legitimate problem. Not to mention, hmmm... let's fire up the TiVo app, then let's find that particular TiVo, then let's go ahead and exit the live TV so that I can tune a channel on this local tivo.

    Or, my fat ass could burn a few calories and walk 100 feet and do it with the IR remote.
     
  20. Grakthis

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    Seems like it's simple to have a setting in the mini that says "timeout: never, HDMI handshaking, 30, 60, 90"

    I mean, of course, you change the wording on that to be like "when should the mini release it's video stream back to the Premier to reduce bandwidth and free up the tuner?"

    "Never."
    "Anytime the TV is detected to be off (may not work on all TVs)"
    "30 minutes"
    "60 Minutes"
    "90 Minutes (default)"

    Of course, TiVo has to care about this before they will fix it.

    I do not own a Mini, but my intention has been to watch them and possibly buy one someday when I move to a larger house with a basement TV.

    Knowing about this timeout, however, I am now far more inclined to go a different route.
     

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