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For Goodness sake, GET RID OF THE ANNOYING AUTO SLEEP!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by zubinh, May 15, 2013.

  1. zubinh

    zubinh Member

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    I dont know why this function isnt getting the proper criticism it deserves. Am I the only one who finds the auto shut off feature of the Mini, one of the worst ideas Tivo has ever come up with? For the life of me I cannot figure out ANY reasoning why Tivo included this useless feature.
     
  2. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    To me the reasons are VERY obvious: to avoid unnecessarily taking up network bandwidth and putting additional load on the host 4 tuner TiVo when nobody is watching the Mini. Also once dynamic tuning allocation is in place this also frees up the tuner for recording on the host unit once live TV auto turns off.
    What I don't like is there is no option anywhere to change this behavior to make the timeout longer or even disable it for those that want to. I think that is the real mistake that TiVo made with this feature.

    Personally, for me this is not a problem and this feature benefits me since:
    a/ I don't watch live TV
    b/ While I stream recorded shows I always use trick functions so timeout never happens
     
  3. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I would hate for them to get rid of this. The thing they need to add is the ability to make it shorter.
    One night in my bedroom I wanted to watch something. But the Mini from the other room was still connected since it had not been 90 minutes yet. So I had to get up to address the Mini in the other room. If the timer had been 30 minutes or even less in that instance I would have never needed to get out of bed to be able to view a channel on the Mini in my bedrom
     
  4. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I complained about this timeout when the Mini first came out, don't get rid of it just make it adjustable, from say 15 minutes to 10 hours, should handle all circumstances. (you can turn it off but 10 hours should handle the long timeout OK)
     
  5. martyscholes

    martyscholes New Member

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    I have not (yet) purchased a Mini but have never heard about the sleep / timeout until reading this thread.

    What exactly times out? Does it shut down the Mini? Does it keep the Mini going but release a tuner? Will it time out while watching a recorded show? Will it time out while using one of the applications, such as Streambaby or listening to Pandora? Ok, maybe not those because they don't work on the Mini, but what about watching Netflix? Oh wait, not that either. Xfinity on Demand, will that time out?

    Do tell.
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The timeout only applies to live TV. When you're watching live TV on the Mini it's actually borrowing a tuner from the host TiVo and streaming the video across your network. If it's doing this and you don't interact with the Mini for 90 minutes then it shuts down the stream. The Mini itself is still awake only the live TV stream stops.

    As it is right now, where you have to permanently dedicate tuners to live TV streaming, the timeout doesn't make a ton of sense. Except for in rare cases when a user has more Minis then they have tuners dedicated to live TV streaming. However when they get dynamic tuner allocation working this timeout will be a lot more critical because it will release the tuner back to the host so it can actually use it for recording.
     
  7. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    FYI Pandora DOES run on the Mini.
     
  8. zubinh

    zubinh Member

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    I get the whole dynamic tuner allocation thingy but for me its rare that I'm ever recording 3 shows at once. And as far as bandwith goes, I dont notice any difference on my other devices when the Mini is on. At the very least give me the ability to make the auto sleep feature longer (like 8 hours). There are still people out there who like to sleep with the TV on sometimes.
     
  9. martyscholes

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    That's interesting and it goes to show just how different people's viewing habits are. If our XL4 ever drops to two shows being recorded, I wonder what's wrong. About 60% of the time it is recording 4 shows and maybe 30% of the time it is recording 3 shows. Rarely is it only recording 2 and almost never is it down to 1 or (egad!) 0.

    That said, I never watch live TV nor do any of the other four people in my house. If it's important enough to watch, it's recorded.

    We record a bunch of "just in case" shows with extremely low priority. My wife has put some 270 entries on the season pass list. We like suspense movies in HD, so we have a blanket rule to record any HD suspense movie and keep 25 of them. That way, on Friday night when we want to watch a movie, we just find one of the 25 that we feel like watching. There are several other rules like that, such as my son's love for Sports Center, which seems to be constantly recording but never conflicts with anything important. Any important sporting event is also recorded, even though it is watched (somewhat) live.

    The point is that I really don't care about tuner allocation. If I just want to watch live TV (why would I want that?), then I don't need a Tivo.

    I guess we are all different in how we watch TV.
     
  10. gard1

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    I'm a snorer...and me and my wife usually have TVs on in separate rooms....I like that it shuts down... though that's me....my wife not bothered either.. QVC zombie that she is....
     
  11. PaperFriend

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    I agree that it needs to be adjustable. My wife HATES the mini because of this Time out feature. She likes to have the TV on while she reads.
     
  12. anonymoususer

    anonymoususer New Member

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    Mine too! She's thinking of dumping it.
     
  13. sbiller

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    While I agree with making the timeout adjustable and being able to disable the feature, I wonder if the introduction of dynamic tuner allocation this fall will change the behavior of auto-sleep.

    Couldn't a Mini requesting a live-tuner be given the option of stealing a tuner from another Mini that has a live-tuner currently in-use?

    If that is the case, TiVo could eliminate the option or make it only applicable for households that have more than one Mini connected to a host DVR.
     
  14. lessd

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    I did not like this time out at the beginning when I got my Mini, I think that the idea behind this auto time out is to lower the network traffic when the Mini is not being used.
     
  15. Bigg

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    Yeah, they should make it adjustable. I'd put it to like 30 minutes to free up tuner resources. It should give a pop-up for a few minutes to let you keep it though, although I guess hitting "Live TV" again from TiVo Central isn't that big of a deal if you just have it on.
     
  16. supasta

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    I quite like it, and the wife really likes the feature.
    I would support an option to adjust the timing or disable it, but it also works well for me as-is.
     
  17. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    How is streaming an HD channel, which has low bandwidth, going to affect the network traffic? It shouldn't be using much bandwidth on the network.

    Even streaming a BD ISO doesn't tax the network.
     
  18. supasta

    supasta New Member

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    Dare I say they should enable it on all TiVo boxes. Options and settings are good.
     
  19. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Why would you need it on a regular TiVo?
     
  20. supasta

    supasta New Member

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    It wouldn't be that you would need it on a regular TiVo.
    I was touting the option.
     

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