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Fios' free copying to end

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by wmcbrine, Jun 27, 2012.

  1. jwebby

    jwebby New Member

    Oct 30, 2008
    Where are you located? Is HBO the only channels at 0x02?
  2. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    HBO and cinemax.

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  3. dallastx

    dallastx New Member

    Sep 27, 2007
    I've got fios in Dallas and I'm getting a "transfer interrupted" error using tivo desktop when trying to copy a show recorded from the local cbs affiliate chan 11. The show is not marked as copy protected and the copy seems to start, but the error occurs very quickly.

    Is this normal now? I've never installed pyTivo, but I was wondering if it could still copy programs.
  4. lrhorer

    lrhorer New Member

    First of all, I consider that a significant downgrade. Secondly, that does not allow one to transfer anything anywhere that cannot be done with a THD. The ownership of two or more premiers allows one to stream from one to the other, not to transfer. A Premier cannot transfer copy protected material. Since I have almost no use whatsoever for streaming but a vast need for transferring, this would certainly be an issue for me - a major one. OTOH, anyone who owns an S3 or a THD can, if they choose to make the effort, see to it they can transfer those programs to anything, including a Premier.
  5. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    After using my GFs S3 boxes(OLED) a bunch over the last couple of days, I was reminded about how much better I like the Premieres when running the HDUI and how much I hate using the SDUI.
    I definitely think the Premiere is a nice upgrade over the S3 boxes. Plus it takes what seems forever to transfer content between two S3 boxes,. And her S3 boxes transfer faster than the S3 TiVoHD boxes, but it is still dog slow.

    I really wish she would have taken a couple of the launch Premieres I had . But at the time they could not be expanded and she wanted to have a 1TB drive in it. And at the time she didn't want the interface to change. And after 18 years seeing her I know it's futile to try to change her mind. So instead I sold those launch lifetime Premieres and let her keep the lifetime S3 boxes. Which fortunately are still working well and will be six years old this December.
  6. agredon

    agredon New Member

    Jul 26, 2011
    For me at least, they're better off not protecting. I and I'm sure many others get premium channels for that 1 or 2 shows that you like. Now, if they make it too much a PITA, I might simply buy the Blu-Ray, or iTunes versions and not subscribe. If I subscribe, they get $10-20/month, which works out to $120-240/year. For that, I could buy 2-6 seasons on Blu-Ray or iTunes. Plus, if I cut my subscription, I'm less likely to become interested in their future shows and thus less likely to buy them on Blu-Ray or iTunes. Not to mention, if I subscribe and am happy, I'm likely to continue subscribing, which means they keep getting my money every month.
  7. swarto112

    swarto112 New Member

    Sep 9, 2012
    i noticed y xl3 pulling from my hd xl iver a wifi g pulls fast then expected
  8. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

    Nov 9, 2002
    Seven Devils, NC
    Wow. Just discovering this. Not happy at all. I often archive a whole season (or two) and watch at once. I won't be able to do this with TiVo anymore.

    Seems like Verizon is more than happy to obey HBO's wishes. It diminishes TiVo value and makes Verizon's set top boxes and DVRs more valuable. I assume all the content I want is available via HBOGO via those vehicles.

    I need to figure out to do. Perhaps drop HBO.
  9. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

    Jul 10, 2004
    San Diego, CA, USA
    How? Can you copy HBO onto your computer from a Verizon STB?
  10. DocNo

    DocNo New Member

    Oct 10, 2001
    Bristow, VA
    Copy protection was never about doing what's right for paying customers.

    Just remember that :p

    And even knowing that, they still cling to it. Bah! Apple/iTunes and the music industry have shown them that if you offer reasonable choices, people will pay and you will make more than if you treat everyone as a criminal as your starting point.

    I guess the issue is the music industry still thinks Apple "tricked" them and is still in denial. I think many in the music industry look fondly at the MPAA with jealousy and think "we could be making that much more if we still had copy protection"....

  11. mattack

    mattack New Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Yeah, I don't see how it makes their own DVRs more valuable.. Isn't Tivo the only standalone DVR that even allows ANY copying to computer? (Obviously I'm not counting WMC machines since they're essentially PCs, not standalone consumer boxes.)
  12. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

    May 1, 2006
    Dallas, TX
    It doesn't.

    What they are doing makes TiVo look less attractive, therefore driving customers to use their "in house" DVR.

    Why would the average consumer pay extra for TiVo when it is castrated down to the level of the "free" cable company DVR?
  13. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    The problem is the "free" cable DVR is now around $17 a month from FiOS and Comcast in my area.
    Just to get a non DVR STB from FiOS is now $12 or $13 a month. It's certainly much cheaper for me using TiVos.
  14. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

    Jul 10, 2004
    San Diego, CA, USA
    Being able to copy subscription premium content like HBO onto your PC isn't the only thing that makes TiVo superior to the "free" cable DVR. For one thing, being able copy most everything else recorded from any of hundreds of channels onto a PC is something that you can't do with a Verizon DVR.
  15. glug0

    glug0 New Member

    Jul 3, 2012
    As long as the CCI allows it you can record the transport stream from the STB over firewire. iirc they're mandated to support it.
  16. tjtv

    tjtv New Member

    Jul 3, 2007
    That's exactly the point...they are setting the CCI such that it does not allow you to transfer OR record from firewire.
  17. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

    Jul 10, 2004
    San Diego, CA, USA
    Not with anything approaching the ease of copying a recording over your LAN from a TiVo. To do what you're talking about you have to record the firewire output in real time while playing a recording; copying a recording from a TiVo can be as easy as downloading a file from a link on a web page, no extra cabling required and you can do it onto a computer physically located anywhere on your LAN. It's possible, but I think that Jill and Joe Average would find archiving recordings onto their computers over 1394 to be challenging to say the least.
  18. glug0

    glug0 New Member

    Jul 3, 2012
    Yeah, it can be a challenge to set it up on a PC. But it's pretty straight forward on a mac; they typically come with firewire and the program to record is included in the sdk.

    On my cable system, tivo transfers are useless. Most channels have multiple audio tracks and tivo transfers don't just automatically use the default audio track selected on the tivo. I want to record the same audio/video you'd see on the tivo/stb. I get that with the stb but not the tivo. I've reported this to tivo and the people I spoke with classified it as a feature request rather than a bug... My only alternative is to change cable systems and hope this issue doesn't surface with them.
  19. am95

    am95 New Member

    Jun 2, 2012
    Just to give a heads up, HBO is having a free weekend preview from the 14th-17th and the CCI byte is currently set to 0x00 (copy freely).

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