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Fios' free copying to end

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by wmcbrine, Jun 27, 2012.

  1. Jul 2, 2012 #41 of 119
    lew

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    You've answered your own point. HBO makes it easy for current subscribers to watch shows they missed. Shows are scheduled multiple times and many shows are available via VoD. HBO Go lets you watch shows on other devices.

    Most of us don't think it's dishonest to archive our shows. Evidently HBO doesn't agree archiving isn't something they want you to do.



    You're assuming you're permitted to archive programs. HBO sells DVDs for many of their popular programs. Using the CCI flag is a way of HBO telling you archiving is not permitted. You have to pay (via DVD, ITunes...) if you want to be able to archive.

    Extremely motivated people will be able to work around the restrictions. Most people will go with the solutions offered by HBO.

    The HBO options, VoD and HBO Go benefit far more customers then the relatively few who own a tivo and who use those features.

    HBO is taking care of their customers who want the ability to watch on other devices.
     
  2. Jul 2, 2012 #42 of 119
    Taget

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    I sometimes will download a show and use dlna to stream it to another tv set. Now I'll just have to download a pirated version and stream that instead. Why should I even have to consider that when I'm legally paying for it?

    It does nothing to stop piracy. Pirates can get what they need either way. And as far as keeping the little guy "honest." That little guy can download a pirated version faster than it would take to download a program to your harddrive, convert to mpeg2, and perhaps even re-encode.

    When you're trying to harass and control those who are trying to use your product legally you're going after the wrong folks.
     
  3. Jul 2, 2012 #43 of 119
    mikeyts

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    But many of those little guys who would have copied the un-copy-protected content won't use mechanisms that they know are illegal. Some like you will but I think that they assume that you're in the minority.

    As I said above the content IP holders will tell you themselves that these mechanisms have nothing to do with stopping real piracy.
     
  4. Jul 2, 2012 #44 of 119
    tivohaydon

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    I do not want to archive.
    I do not want to retain.
    I do not want to complain.

    I can not watch it on a boat.
    I can not watch it on a train.
    I can not watch it on a plane.

    Live programming is not for me.
    It seems I'm just too busy.

    HBO Go does not help.
    On Demand is just as spotty.

    CCI bytes remove the solution.
    To migrate between devices.
    My mindless entertainment.



    Okay, so this isn't proper anything but it was fun.
     
  5. Jul 2, 2012 #45 of 119
    mattack

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    Just to make it clear though, 'archiving' is not legally protected. (It is not prohibited, either.. Its legal status has not been decided either way.) The famous "VCR case" (Sony vs Universal) explicitly legalized time-shifting, but not its term for archiving -- librarying.

    Yes, I know there isn't an explicit time limit when one turns into the other, and I too archive things (that aren't copy protected.. though I do it as much to expand disk space than to save for keeps).
     
  6. Jul 2, 2012 #46 of 119
    mikeyts

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    The justice who wrote the opinion pooh-pooh'd the possibility of "library building", saying that the respondents hadn't proven that it would be a common activity :D.
     
  7. Jul 3, 2012 #47 of 119
    vurbano

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    I typically, archive several HBO series and one on Showtime. Trueblood, Game of Thrones, Borgias on Showtime. I will continue to do so, it just won't be from my Tivo.
     
  8. Jul 3, 2012 #48 of 119
    lew

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    Archiving might be legal. Circumventing DRM (or CCI) isn't.

    It doesn't take any technical skills to use TTG along with Roxio (or whatever package tivo promotes). Using programs like pyTivo require a little more skill. Circumventing the CCI flag is a lot harder, maybe impossible for some hardware.

    Setting the CCI flag means archiving went from very easy to extremely hard.
     
  9. Jul 4, 2012 #49 of 119
    RangerOne

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    By the way, does the CCI flag affect the ability to transfer programs to the Netgear ReadyNAS? I just picked one up and saw that one of the features was that it integrates with TiVo.
     
  10. Jul 4, 2012 #50 of 119
    nrc

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    Unfortunately, copy protected content cannot be transferred to the ReadyNAS unit.
     
  11. Jul 4, 2012 #51 of 119
    tootal2

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    I think it legal for your own use. but you cant make copys for people or sell copys shows.


     
  12. Jul 5, 2012 #52 of 119
    mattack

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    No, read the decision. I bought a book entirely about that legal case.. (and it was before eBay, or at least before it became popular.. somehow I found it online, but it was MORE expensive than if it had been new.)
     
  13. Jul 7, 2012 #53 of 119
    am95

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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    I just bought a TiVo + 1-year subscription mainly for the purpose of copying sports content from premium channels with HBO being a huge part of that and it's not like you can go out and buy this stuff on Blu-ray. Hopefully it's just HBO and Cinemax which I could probably live with. Otherwise, see ya TiVo.
     
  14. Jul 9, 2012 #54 of 119
    NatasNJ

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    Can someone help me out. I got the letter from Verizon. I tried reactivating my cablecards and was unable to do so. (Tried calling them) then I downloaded InhomeAgent and that failed as well. I started up a chat and they were able to "reset" my cable cards but STILL unable to view channel 131 so they sent out a TECH.

    The Tech basically looked at my letter and had NO IDEA what I was asking them to do. He went to his truck waited 30 minutes then came back and said don't worry about it you are fine. Said I don't need channel 131 anyway. WTF!!!!

    I have a feeling this is going to blow up for me at the end of the month...
     
  15. Jul 9, 2012 #55 of 119
    DeWitt

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    I had a similar experience. In home agent says I have no cable cards to activate. I used the voice prompts and after entering my card no and zip, it reconfirms the zip then transfers me to a representative. Rep says only way is to use voice prompts or in home agent, then tells me to call the number I called. Refused to believe I called that number and got her. Refused to believe I did not have an activation code, despite the letter telling me to tell them I did not have one. She escalated to tech, told as long as cable working nothing they can do. She found the letter and then told me it did not effect me other than losing HBO. I said I don't want to lose HBO DVR at the end of the month. She said sorry there is nothing we can do you have to call and use the voice prompts or in home agent. Same story of don't worry about it if your cable is working. I said it is but not on 131. Answer, sorry sir there is nothing we can do for you. She stated tech would not help, but had not heard of the letter. I gave up after spending an hour and a half on it.

    I love FIOS, but there customer service is terrible.
     
  16. Jul 10, 2012 #56 of 119
    aaronwt

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    I wonder why it transferred you to an agent? When I did it two weeks ago with my three cable cards it went through quickly without transferring me to an agent.
     
  17. Jul 10, 2012 #57 of 119
    NatasNJ

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    When I typed in my cable card info at the prompts it would obviously FAIL the pairing/activation and then default to sending me to an agent.

    I know come Aug 1st I am going to get screwed. :(
     
  18. Jul 10, 2012 #58 of 119
    DeWitt

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    I am assuming it means the entries in the system are wrong somehow. This would also explain why the in house agent can't access them either. I have two Premieres, so two cards. The one in its original Tivo is paired properly. The one where the Tivo was replaced is not. (Not surprising)

    I am hoping they where just understaffed due to all the east coast storm damage. I'll try again in a few days after I cool off a bit....
     
  19. Jul 11, 2012 #59 of 119
    dbenrosen

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    I had a similar experience yesterday. I tried the IHA and it claimed it couldn't find the cards. After getting all of the info for the cards from Ch 131 (I have 4 CableCARDs, 3 gave me info screen and 1 worked as it would if already activated). I called the phone number and it went through 4 CableCARDs, one of which I had a number for and entered the info to activate it. The other numbers it gave me were either the one that worked or numbers I didn't have.

    I transferred to a person, who claimed all of my cards were activated. I explained about the letter and the activation screen. She went away to look up info and when she came back she said the system would not let her edit the CableCARD activation info. I again mentioned the letter and she said the letters were sent out too early and there was nothing she could do until the cards were not activated again. She thinks this will happen at the end of the month,and which point I guess I would have to call them back. I will try the process again in a week or so and see if I have any better luck.
     
  20. Jul 12, 2012 #60 of 119
    vurbano

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    For me, its so long tivo desktop. Everything I transferred was HBO or showtime anyway and those days will be over. it all seems ridiculous to me. You would think that the recordings could be tied to your home Ip address and as long as it stayed on that network then transfer to NAS or PC's with Raid systems and etc could be allowed.
     

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