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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by wmcbrine, Jun 27, 2012.

  1. Jun 29, 2012 #21 of 119
    mikeyts

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    Hey--I'm just stating their point of view as I've read it expressed elsewhere. Obviously it causes bad feelings, particularly among people who've been unaffected by it for a long time, like FiOS subs.
     
  2. Jun 29, 2012 #22 of 119
    davezatz

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    I understand and will not shoot the messenger. :) And, honestly, the move throws my whole plan into limbo. Our new house can receive either Comcast or FiOS. Neither service enters the house yet and while FiOS seemed like a no brainer a few days ago, the scenario has suddenly shifted. Will have to evaluate prices. FiOS Internet speeds have gone up recently, but so have their prices. Hm.
     
  3. Jun 29, 2012 #23 of 119
    aaronwt

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    Still a great deal on the FiOS internet speeds. You can drop down to a lower TV tier which doesn't have any premium channels and increase your internet speed and pretty much keep the same price.

    I'm still flip flopping on doing this so I can go up to the 75/35 tier. I really don't need the Premium channels. But in the past, everytime I dropped down to a lwoer TV tier, shortly after some new HD channels were added which required the higher tier to receive them. So I might just wait around for a sale around the holidays before I make any changes.

    If I hadn't received such a great deal when I renewed earlier this year for two years I would have probably just increased my speeds by now since the increase would have been smaller. But I'm only paying $110 a month for DV, 35/35 internet and Ultimate HD. Plus they gave me a $327 gift card. This is he lowest price I've paid for FiOS over the last five years.
     
  4. Jun 29, 2012 #24 of 119
    morac

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    More food for thought. Comcast is set to match FIOS's speeds in the coming months.
    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27246579-Speed-Northeast-speed-changes-coming.
     
  5. Jun 29, 2012 #25 of 119
    wmcbrine

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    Fios Internet speed is much more solid than Comcast's, and download/upload is less lopsided. These things will remain true for the foreseeable future.
     
  6. Jun 29, 2012 #26 of 119
    lrhorer

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    Doing so does not make HBO any money, nor does a failure to buy one lose them any money. It is the studio and production company (and possibly depending on contracts, some of the talent) who putatively stand to lose money by allowing a DVR owner to copy programming.

    Which does nothing for those of us who do not care to use MRV, or more importantly to live with the (unacceptable) restrictions inherent in trapping the content on a DVR.

    That is utter nonsense. The content providers do not sell DVDs or BRDs nor do they obtain any revenue whatsoever from the sale of any DVD or BRD. If anythng, they are hurt by sales and rentals of DVDs and BRDs. OTOH, some of the content providers, like HBO, are owned by movie production companies, in the case of HBO, by Time Warner. Selling DVDs is bad for HBO, but good for its owner.
     
  7. Jun 29, 2012 #27 of 119
    aaronwt

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    lrhorer

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    Only about 1 person in 8 in the U.S. is black, and fewer than 2 people out of 100 are native Americans. That does not make it right to pass legislation that negativey impacts members of those groups.

    Perhaps, but OTOH there are a lot of TiVo owners who only have 1 TiVo, and even among those of use with multiple TiVos, there are plenty who transfer to external devices, not between TiVos. Certainly I almost never use MRV, but I use TTG literally several times daily.

    The bottom line, however, is it is irrelevant how few people take advantage of the feature. The only salient point is that everyone, not just a lucky few, should have a right to enjoy the feature. Whether they do or how many do exercise that right or not is not even of the slightest consideration.

    I dropped HBO when I changed CATV providers a couple of weeks ago.
     
  9. Jun 29, 2012 #29 of 119
    lrhorer

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    No, that's not quite how it works. If we assume for the moment everyone is continuously pulling down the maximum bandwidth they can, then if only two or three people are using the bandwidth, then they each can use as much as they like until they max out the bandwidth. Add a fourth, and if the bandwidth is maxed out, then the bandwidth of the other three drops by some amount. Add another 46, and each one will have access to perhaps 2% of the bandwidth. In the real world. however, one never sees such flat bandwidth demands. The odds of all 50 simultaneously downloading at maximum throughput is zilch. Instead, each user calls for bursts of bandwidth. Of course, downloading video extends the duration of those bursts by a significant amount, but it still means that of 50 users, on average only perhaps 4 or 5 are going to be downloading at any given moment.
     
  10. Jun 29, 2012 #30 of 119
    morac

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    Since Comcast implemented 8 channel downstream bonding and 3 channel upstream bonding, there's not much of a difference. For example, currently one of my upstream channels has failed because of a bad card at the CMTS (which hasn't been fixed in over a week), but it hasn't affected my download or upload speeds or my pings because of channel bonding.

    FIOS has faster theoretical speeds, but they haven't implemented then. Also CableLabs has come up with a scheme to bond a ridiculous amount of channels resulting in speeds over 1 Gbps. http://newsroom.intel.com/community...ocsis-30-gateway-capability-at-the-cable-show
     
  11. Jun 29, 2012 #31 of 119
    cjgadd3

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    Do it by phone. I just did mine and it took all of two minutes, but I had to say "reactivte" to get to the pairing process.
     
  12. Jun 29, 2012 #32 of 119
    aaronwt

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    When I had Comcast the node was heavily over saturated. Every evening speeds would drop well below 1Mb/s. Although this was before FiOS came to my area. Over 90% of the people have FiOS now in my area so I doubt speeds would be an issue with Comcast now. But even at my brothers place, he has a DOCSIS 3.0 modem and one of the faster tiers that requires it. He see slowdowns in speeds from what he should have. Which is something I have never seen in my five years with FiOS. At least not yet.
     
  13. Jun 30, 2012 #33 of 119
    lew

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    I thought it was obvious my point was in reference to HBO original programming. Copying such content not only deprives HBO of DVD sales but might cost them some subscribers.
     
  14. Jun 30, 2012 #34 of 119
    nrc

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    That's a ridiculous analogy.
     
  15. Jul 1, 2012 #35 of 119
    todd_j_derr

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    It certainly is.
     
  16. Jul 1, 2012 #36 of 119
    aadam101

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    That's a bad analogy.

    1. The government does pass legislation that negatively impacts certain groups (see DOMA, Don't Ask Don't Tell and Affirmative Action) but that's another topic.

    2. Many internet providers have already made it very clear that not all customers are equal. They throttle service for users as they see fit.
     
  17. Jul 1, 2012 #37 of 119
    aadam101

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    Can anyone explain why Verizon FIOS cable card pairing seems to be so easy when most of the other providers have turned the process into a nightmare? I have had my own experiences with FIOS and Comcast and it was like night and day. FIOS took a couple of minutes. Comcast required five hours on the phone plus a truck roll.

    I have seen countless complaints about cable cards on this website and have even seen people return their Tivo's because the cable provider couldn't get their act together.
     
  18. Jul 1, 2012 #38 of 119
    vurbano

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    Well, I gave an old tivohd to my father. It took 2 weeks to get the CC working and the stupid SDV box. Apparently the CSRs on the phone with cox cable can't really do anything. Trouble tickets to engineering have to be made then they have to Visit and be stumped a couple of times and then they have to be the ones to contact the mothers ship in Atlanta to fix stuff. it's Absolutely ridiculous. And I thought I was gonna buy him that big screen and self install everything before Xmas. What a nightmare that was. It was so bad that I had the show the technicians the tutorials on TiVo website and what the error messages meant. Some code wasn't being sent form cox authorizing some of the channels.
     
  19. Jul 1, 2012 #39 of 119
    mikeyts

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    In shipment my Premiere was delayed for a day. I gave Cox a call to make sure that what I wanted to do was possible (install one of the CableCARDs from my S3 in it and return the other). The guy that I talked to on that call seemed very knowledgeable. On the day, the tech support person I got connected to did not seem to know much about the process and was telling me that everything should work now and I asked, "Don't you need the Host ID to complete the pairing?" She replied that she didn't think so, then said, "Oh--I see a place for entering it!" :rolleyes:

    It's sad when you have to know what the CSR should be doing.
     
  20. Jul 1, 2012 #40 of 119
    aaronwt

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    Unfortunately that has been the norm.
     

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