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FF stops?

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by Spiky, Oct 27, 2007.

  1. Spiky

    Spiky Macman

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    Anybody else have FFx1 stop working? This started recently, I don't know if it coincided with the E software or what.

    It simply does not FF, it acts like Pause.
     
  2. JimSpence

    JimSpence Just hangin'

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    Mine is working fine.

    Do a reboot.
     
  3. newsposter

    newsposter Poster of News

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  4. mickywill

    mickywill New Member

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    Spiky, I am guessing you are having this problem with KARE 11.1 OTA. If so, then I think I have found the cause of the problem. I started seeing the ffx1 pause during NBC nfl football games, and KARE 11's directory of technology said they started testing a new Harris NetVX encoder at the same time. Check the link below for more infomation about KARE 11's encoder testing.

    Micky

    HDTV Twin Cities Forum
     
  5. newsposter

    newsposter Poster of News

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    any idea if that encoder could prevent 30 second skip from working? Mine turns into like 5 second skip and sometimes even 1 second.
     
  6. JeffTHX

    JeffTHX New Member

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    As another Twin Citian, I also am having the FF stop issue, but I haven't paid attention to see if it's limited to KARE-11. It's possible that that is the only channel where this has happened, because I've only noticed it on a few occasions. I don't use FFx1 often--typically just when I'm watching a football game and I go through the stuff in-between plays to compress the viewing time.

    Jeff
     
  7. JimSpence

    JimSpence Just hangin'

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    This has been discussed before and it is now showing up more and more with me. This doesn't seem to be consistent during the whole recording. You will also notice that the 8s replay is more like .5s as well. Makes it somewhat difficult to use.
     
  8. Nov 3, 2007 #8 of 26
    Spiky

    Spiky Macman

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    It (FF not working) happens on all recordings, not just NBC. I think. I will verify this weekend. I had seen that thread, but never opened it. I'll have to check it out.

    As for poor skipping, that has been around on and off for quite some time. I haven't noticed it recently, though.
     
  9. Syzygy

    Syzygy New Member

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    Over the last few weeks I've noticed that FFx1 (the one FF speed at which CC is still visible) frequently freezes. At that point I have to press Play to unfreeze the picture. Freeze points are not necessarily associated with bad data: If I back up and do an FFx1 again, a freeze may happen at a different (later) point. I never used to get any freezing during FFx1. The onset did not coincide with a software update.

    It's on some but not all channels; maybe more likely in HD recordings. I'm supposed to be **graded to an HR21 tomorrow, so I won't be adding any more input on this (I hope).
     
  10. newsposter

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    frequently or ALWAYS? I ask because my cbs and wb stations 100% of the time freeze on 1x ff. This issue didnt occur with 3.5 software but when i updated my 3.5 machine, it started happening right away so it's definitely something in 6.x software that messed this up.
     
  11. Syzygy

    Syzygy New Member

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    Well, on some channels it seems inevitable that a freeze will occur after just a few seconds; definitely less than a minute. On The Daily Show (SD) it hasn't happened AFAIRecall.

    You could be right about the onset. I may have disregarded the first few instances.
     
  12. newsposter

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    well if the FF is working at all on those channels, maybe it's not what i have. Since every single time i press 1ff on those channels it freezes.

    If you have an intermittent problem, i guess it could be the drive but i'm not sure. you said it happens after a few seconds and not right away. So that's definitely not my problem.

    i dont watch anything on the SD channel when it's avaliable on the digital channel so i cant say if SD vs HD does make a difference
     
  13. Syzygy

    Syzygy New Member

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    Your problem seems unique to me. Maybe your last update was installed over a bad spot on your hard drive.
     
  14. TyroneShoes

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

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    Not unique. I have noticed this on certain NBC sports programs over the last two weeks, and I am in a different market. Whatever it is, my HR20 is not affected.
     
  15. az_double_eagle

    az_double_eagle Certified Golf Nut

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    I'm also having the FFx1 freezing problem. I don't have a phone line connected permanently (I got 6.4a about 1.5 months ago), but I did hook it up tonight on both of my units (see sig) to hopefully get rid of the problem where the last-left-off-watching pointer was getting reset to the beginning of the recording while timeshifting (very obnoxious). I read in another thread that it was fixed, so I gave that a try.

    Well, the software update 6.4a -> 6.4a (no number changes) did fix that problem (thank goodness), but it did NOT fix the freezing at FFx1 problem.

    I've had the problem on CBS (5.1 in Phoenix) and NBC (12.1 in Phoenix).

    I really like having the FFx1 speed (as most people do) for still watching the CC.
     
  16. newsposter

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    which miraculously hopped over to my perfectly functioning 3.5 machine when i finally plugged into the wall and let it go to 6.4a? :eek:

    even if i had the tin foil hat on, that just isnt possible to affect my other machine the same way under the same circumstances. Unless both hard drives were separated at birth i guess
     
  17. az_double_eagle

    az_double_eagle Certified Golf Nut

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    Well, I stand corrected about the latest download fixing the last-left-off-watching pointer. I know this is a bit off-thread, but I did want to say that if you catch up to LIVE while watching, then you still have the problem (the recording starts over at the beginning).

    I've found that if you leave yourself more than about 5 minutes before LIVE on the recording, and then exit, when you return to the recording you are where you left off.

    This is a good workaround, but nonetheless still pretty lame.
     
  18. Joe Jensen

    Joe Jensen New Member

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    Mine is not working now on NBC (delay play of a recording, but still recording). It works on CBS. 2nd Tivo is working fine. First Tivo with issue has not worked (FF freeze) since the Olympics starter...joe
     
  19. Syzygy

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    I'm not surprised that this post was quickly followed with "I stand corrected about the latest download fixing the last-left-off-watching pointer... I still have the problem." I agree completely with calling this software regression "very obnoxious".

    However, I'm really posting to ask what exactly you read in another thread about it being fixed. I don't suppose you remember any details about that, like what kind of thread? (Anyone who thought the problem had gone away might have been testing in a live buffer without recording it and without going to the menu system. The bug doesn't show up then.)

    To reproduce the bug in an old recording (accessed from Now Playing) is simple and straightforward.

    To reproduce the bug in live TV:
    1. Press Record while viewing a buffer -- unless the buffer is already being recorded.
    2. Position yourself 1 to 4 minutes behind real time and Pause.
    (Steps 1 and 2 can be reversed.)
    3. Press TiVo to go the the menu system.
    4. Press LiveTV to go back to where you left off -- you will have lost your paused position.

    (Once when I did step 4, the screen went black until I pressed LiveTV again! And yes, I know that, usually, pressing LiveTV again is just like pressing DownArrow. But this time the second press returned me to the buffer I had just abandoned.)

    My testing today was done on an RCA DVR40 (Series2). My HR10 is retired, replaced 4 days ago by an HR21.
     
  20. TyroneShoes

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

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    Now that there is a lot more spontaneous rebooting, I am double-recording some programs. In the process of doing that I discovered that recordings from NBC OTA sometimes have the FF stop problem on my HR10 that is running 6.4a, while the one still on 3.1.5 does not have the problem at all, even on the very same recording.

    This sort of indicates that the problem is in the newer software rather than due to something new in the content itself.
     

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