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Failing hard drive?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by EvilMidniteBombr, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Not everyone here grew up taking things apart to see how they would have worked, so I try not to assume knowledge they may not have.
     
  2. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    No sweat!

    I ordered some replacement caps and hope to have them soon AND that they'll cure this problem w/ my TiVo.
     
  3. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    I got my capacitors this weekend and had a chance to install them this morning. I replaced the two pictured above and five 2200uf caps. The 2200's were just precautionary.

    I'm hoping this has cured my problem. Thanks for all of the help.... so far. :)
     
  4. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    Well, it appears that the capacitors were not the solution to my problem. The freezing issue is worse now. In fact, after rebooting the TiVo twice (hard reboot and soft reboot) it would freeze during the TiVo animation sequence. I tried watching live TV and video freezes more than it plays. In fact, it's starting to cause the menu screens to become unresponsive. It's difficult navigating anything at all.

    I'm going to try removing the drive and replacing it with the 500 GB drive I had before I installed the current 1TB drive. If everything works fine, then I know I need to replace the hard drive. If the problem is still there, It may be time to say goodbye to this box.

    FYI, my TiVo has been frozen on the same partially loaded menu screen for several minutes now. I don't even get the yellow LED that indicates a command from the remote has been received.
     
  5. unitron

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    If it's any consolation, you had a textbook case of capacitor plague and that had to be dealt with before any other diagnostics could be trusted.
     
  6. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    It is, actually. It was clear that at least one of the capacitors needed replacing. Replacing wasn't that big of sa deal. iI was just hoping for the cheaper solution to the problem.

    I've got the old 500GB drive in now. Since it hasn't been in a machine for several years, it's got a bit of updating to do. However, it should be noted that none of the freezing has yet.

    Is there a recommended method to test the (possibly) bad drive without harming any fo the data on it? It's a Hitachi desk star 1TB drive.
     
  7. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    I've been reading a bit on the TiVo HD Upgrade Instructions thread. I'm probably going to replace the 1TB drive with a 2TB drive. I'd like to keep the recordings that I have on the 1TB drive. I still have the original 160GB drive and a 500GB drive. So my question is, should I try to clone the 1TB drive to a 2TB using jmfs and Winmfs. Or should I just consider those shows on the 1TB drive lost and use one of the smaller drives to prepare a 2TB drive?
     
  8. unitron

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    The UBCD has some various hard drive diagnostic programs on it.

    Or you could go straight to Hitachi

    http://www.hgst.com/support/downloads/
     
  9. unitron

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    If you have a spare 1TB drive handy, I'd use

    ddrescue

    on the jmfs cd to "Xerox" the other one while it's still working.

    (actually I'd use

    dd_rescue

    on the MFS Live cd v1.4, but they're very similar)

    and then put the clone in the TiVo to make sure you got a good copy and that everything still works.


    Otherwise use jmfs to copy the 1TB to a 2TB (after running the long diagnostic on the 2TB just to be sure there's nothing wrong with it), and, without expanding, try the 2TB in the TiVo.

    Since it's a "Xerox" it'll think it's a 1TB, so you won't see an increase in available space yet, but you can check that everything's working right.

    Then you can go back to jmfs and expand into the rest of that 2TB.

    If that works okay, then you can then run the appropriate long diagnostic on the 1TB that's been in the TiVo.
     
  10. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    I only have the "bad" 1TB drive which means I can't clone it exactly. I just ordered a WD20EURS from amazon and will be using it to replace the 1TB drive.

    If I use UBCD to diagnose the "bad" drive, which version should I use? Windows or Linux? Does it matter to the drive being diagnosed? I don't want to take a chance on the diagnosing software to write something to the "bad" drive that would make it totally unusable in a TiVo.
     
  11. unitron

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    When you boot with the UBCD cd, it loads from the cd and bypasses loading anything from the Windows drive altogether. Windows doesn't know the PC is on.

    There will be a menu.

    You choose hard drive.

    There will be more menus.

    You choose diagnostics.

    There will be choices.

    For the WD20EURS (which you should do the long test on before putting it into service just to be sure it's okay), you'll choose the newer version of the WD.

    For the 1TB, after you've got it copied to the 2TB (in case it's fixing to go bad on you and quit), you choose according to what brand it is.

    Those are non-destructive tests.

    I've got someone else testing to see if a TCD652160 running version 11.0k of the TiVo software (the latest and probably last ever version for the S3 platform) can be "embiggened" onto a 2TB with just WinMFS, skipping having to use jmfs altogether.

    In your case though, if that 1TB has limited life left, maybe letting jmfs "Xerox" it (with what I assume are 15 partitions as a result of the previous upgrade adding a 3rd MFS pair), and then add a single 16th Media partition to fill the rest of the space would be the best way to proceed, but only after the WD20 passes the long test, since the upgrade might be a one-shot deal, depending on the health of that 1TB.
     
  12. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    Thanks Unitron. You've been a big help.

    I received the WD20 today and I'm going to start the diagnostics on it ASAP.
     
  13. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    crap. it doesn't look like I'll be able to diagnose the new hard drive. I don't have a computer with SATA connections. my desktop is an old model that uses IDE drives. that leaves my laptop. With it, I can only connect the SATA drive via usb. Unfortunately, UBCD doesn't recognize drives connected via USB. I guess I'll just clone the old 1TB drive and hope for the best.
     
  14. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    Wonderful... after about 20 hours of copying the 1TB drive over to the new 2TB drive, I am having the exact same problems with my new drive as I did with the old one. I have had to reboot it no less than 3 times after it totally freezes on me. No response from commands from the remote. Not even the amber LED indicating a received command.

    I had zero problems when I was using the 500GB drive.

    I guess the only option is to copy the 500GB drive to the new 2TB drive.

    Is there any way that I can preserve the recordings that were copied onto the 2TB drive from the 1TB? There are several on there that I would really like to keep.
     
  15. unitron

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    Is copying from the 1TB still possible at all?

    Are there any recordings on the 2TB other than the ones copied over from the 1TB?

    Have you tried putting the 500 back in and running it for a day or so to be absolutely sure that the problem is not somewhere other than the 1TB or the 2TB?
     
  16. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    I copied the 1TB onto the 2TB drive and haven't put it (1TB) back into the TiVo to see if it still works. But I'm guessing that it could be used again as a source to copy.

    No new recordings on the 2TB drive. It was trying to record some shows from that were already on the To Do List but those were interrupted by having to reboot the machine. I deleted the partial recordings.

    I have been running the 500GB drive since Wednesday or Thursday. I pulled it back out earlier this even to install the new 2TB drive. To my knowledge there were no problems with the 500GB drive.
     
  17. unitron

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    Okay, let me think about it for a while, maybe I'll come up with something.
     
  18. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    I've started another thread to try to get a few more minds working on this. Please feel free post suggestions in both threads. I need all the help that I can get.
     
  19. EvilMidniteBombr

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

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    For anyone that may be looking at this thread for help, more information on the problem I'm having may be found in this thread.
     

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