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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by alexchiz, May 1, 2007.

  1. May 1, 2007 #1 of 34
    alexchiz

    alexchiz New Member

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    I know that it isn't activated by Tivo, but is there any realistic hope that it ever will be?
     
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    alexchiz

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    thanks for the hope, any idea if there is a time frame.
     
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    mdscott

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    Gregor

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    No idea of time frame.
     
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    missiontortilla

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    If you call up TiVo they will probably say 2 weeks!
     
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    AgentSmith

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    No idea of the time frame, because TiVo isn't the roadblock. The eSATA disk must be copy protected so that you cannot lift programming off of it (say, by connecting it to your PC). TiVo has submitted their technology to CableLabs, who must certify it before the feature can be activated.

    So, someday.
     
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    Boot

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    Are you sure of this?
     
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    Stanley Rohner

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    The eSATA connector has been actived on the DIRECTV HR20 HD DVR since sometime around the end of 2006.

    It works great !! I just hooked up a 500Gig drive to it last week.

    I wonder what the holdup is with the TiVo Series3 ?
     
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  11. AgentSmith

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    Pony said so in September of last year. See the eSATA items in the FAQ stickied here.
     
  12. alexchiz

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    Thanks for the info. I have a 500gb external Sata drive that I was hoping to use instead of upgrading the internal drive.
     
  13. MichaelK

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    I hate to say it but Its possible that cablelabs will never approve it or that they will make it so difficult that tivo wont bother. (same could be said for MRV and TTG of cablecard content).

    I hope it doesn't come to that but look at the battle that the big boys are having with cablelabs that they got the FCC involved to settle. The big guns can afford a battle with cable. Can tivo?

    At this point it seems likely that cablelabs has exceeded the time permitted for an answer so it seems the original answer may have been no. If that's the case- how does/did tivo react. Obviously we haven't seen them appeal to the FCC like the others.
     
  14. dt_dc

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    BTW, CableLabs has recently (4/20/07) released a revision of the DFAST licensing agreement that would allow Tivo (or anyone else) to support an eSATA drive (or Firewire, or USB, or heck ... even potentially IP to a network storage device) without any explicit CableLabs approval / verification / certification / whatever.
    Tivo certainly should be able to enable eSATA within those guidelines. Some kludginess required but ... seems doable.

    Also interesting, they've approved a new DRM (Motorola IP Rights Management - IPRM) which I hadn't heard of before.
     
  15. CrispyCritter

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    Very interesting, thanks! Yes, I agree that this should enable TiVo to give us eSATA, and without changing their algorithm much. There's light at the end of the tunnel!
     
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    Moto has been seeking a way to move protected content from one client to another. Looks like it was finally approved.
     
  17. yunlin12

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    Why not upgrade now, and plug the 250 stock HDD into eSATA when it's turned on?
     
  18. alexchiz

    alexchiz New Member

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    Because I do not want to lose all of my recordings and the wife's entire season of Gilmore Girls.
     
  19. d00ks

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    Do you have instructions on how to hook up a large drive to the eSATA? Mainly what to format with, i.e. NTFS, FAT. Any help would be appreciated.
     
  20. PaulS

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    I'm not so sure about that, particularly when you consider the mandatory encrypt that the new revision to the agreement requires. Computing AES or 3DES on the fly is a very computationally intense procedure, and is typically done in hardware. Does the S3 have a crypto chipset built in ? If not, it's probably not practical for TiVo to do it in software.

    Also, to protect against the "disk cloning" attack, it'd probably be easiest for TiVo to set up the internal and external drives as a RAID-0 array where recordings are split equally between the two drives. However, this set up kind of stinks for data integrity due to drive failure, since a failure of one drive invalidates all data across all drives. Not exactly a user-friendly solution to say the least.
     

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