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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bengalfreak, Mar 8, 2014.
There were a couple of completed eBay auctions where they got $70-80 for them. I was surprised ...
For the 14th million time, it's $400 (not $500) if you just do the bare minimum of research (or already have MSD). So the breakeven is a little more than 2 years, not 3. I'll take that bet on whether the hardware will last that long. And again your analysis completely ignores resale value which essentially makes lifetime pay for itself.
It always helps if you have the correct numbers, and in almost all cases they work in favor of lifetime.
No one is making fun of the folks that make poor decisions with monthly (or have no choice, financially, but then why the hell are they buying a luxury like Tivo??). We're simply pointing out the lack of logic in the decision.
Doesn't make sense. The cost of replacing the hard drive is the same whether you are on monthly or lifetime. If you were on monthly and a hard drive fails and you decide not to replace it you now have the cost of replacement unit.
First of all slowbiscuit, I was just using numbers as an example because people have different monthly fees. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the $400 only if you buy the TiVo from a third party and use a code that isn't exactly widespread and known to probably the majority of TiVo owners out there - especially those who don't come to this forum? My "bare minimum of research" was from TiVo asking me to pay $499 for lifetime on my TiVoHD. Are you saying that I could have gotten lifetime for $400 on my TiVoHD or even on my Roamio Pro that I bought from TiVo? If you're using numbers based on conditions and information that is not widely known and not available to all, then I believe you need to rethink your apparent attempt at ridiculing my research methods.
I won't address your second comment about poor decisions and lack of logic. That's exactly the type of behavior I'm talking about. Talk about not making fun of people but then basically calling them illogical. Between you and others calling monthly payers, idiots, you're basically saying the majority of TiVo's user base are idiots. Without these idiots, you'd likely have no TiVo to praise - you realize that.. Or are you really naive to think the majority of TiVo users have lifetimes?
Anyway, since when was TiVo a "luxury" product? It's supposed to replace or even come in lower in cost than the cost of a cable co DVR, remember? Since when was a cable co DVR considered luxury?
And mpnret, I was using that comment to address people talking about hardware rarely dying. I said in my original reply that if your hardware hasn't died by breakeven point then lifetime wins. This was mean for hardware dying before breakeven.
Oh, well - I suspected my comments would bring up ridicule and tension. I just think this is a really good topic for discussion as it would help people decide - but it always ends up with one side trying to make the other side look stupid in order to justify their own actions.
I don't think anyone is out to make anyone else look stupid. Some of us are, however, questioning your logic. I responded to a comment you made about the hard drive dying and my response still stands. It cost the same to replace the hard drive in a unit with monthly as it does it does to replace the hard drive in a unit with lifetime. Doesn't matter if it is before or after the break even point. Once the drive is replaced time marches on to the break even point.
As far as the cost of lifetime goes it's common knowledge on the forum that you can get it for $399. or even less. I just got it on my one year old Premier for $99. and I will be adding lifetime on my couple month old Roamio for $399. soon. But even using the $499 cost you mentioned, lifetime still beats monthly.
Since when is a dvr or in fact cable TV required for survival? Unlike food, shelter, heat, electric, etc.
Any DVR is a luxury product. Yes, a tivo can save over using a cableco DVR in certain (most?) instances, but that is a luxury product as well. Heck, TV in general is a luxury (not to mention the premiums we pay for cable).
There are lots of things I could survive without (TV, movies, sports....any form of entertainment at all really, sex, food that tastes good, bathing, grooming, deodorant), but life would be much less enjoyable without those things. "Survival" is a pretty low standard. In fact, I'm pretty sure that people were able to "survive" prior to the discovery of electricity, but I certainly wouldn't want to live without it.
Pay TV is somewhat of a luxury. Basic (DSL speed) internet access and a smartphone are becoming necessities now, since the world expects you to have them in some form.
50mbps internet, a quad-tuner TiVo and 150+ channels are luxury items... However, at the same time, they aren't on the same level as a hot tub, a sauna, a steam shower, a Bimmer/Benz/Audi/Jag, an in-ground heated pool, a large house, etc, etc.
I don't have a smartphone, nor do I plan on getting one for the foreseeable future. Wireless data prices are obscenely high in my opinion, and are therefore a luxury. One man's necessity is another man's luxury.
You pay more in the long run if you make monthly payments so that's why lifetime is a good idea.
Also you break even on paper way before 33 months because of resale value.
And it is going to cost you $$$$ if your Tivo breaks whether you have lifetime or not. You can pay to repair your old Tivo if you have lifetime and thus keep lifetime. IF you have monthly maybe you would just get a new Tivo but it will still cost you quite a bit.
Like anything, some will get lifetime and feel ripped off when their Tivo dies in 2 years. And swear lifetime is a bad idea. I mean people have died with seatbelts on too that wouldn't have died if they had their seatbelts off. Does that mean seatbelts are a bad idea?
There have been some posts by people that added up the total cost of their TiVo on monthly + TiVo purchase and it was over $1,100, Lifetime would have been a better option in that case, other don't want to bother with E-Bay or other means of re-sale so for them the Lifetime break even cost is longer, In my experience you can get most (or all) of your Lifetime cost back with a 3 to 4 year old HD TiVo listed on E-Bay, at that point Lifetime is a no-brainer as the cost is $399 - the first month service cost as you would have to pay that anyways, and TiVo can't raise the monthly cost to you, and if your state ups the sales tax rate it will be no extra cost to you.
You be hard pressed to prove that point.
The bottom line is that monthly is a sucker bet and the folks paying it either refuse to admit the facts or can't afford the upfront cost of lifetime. But it does help Tivo so if you want to justify it that way it's all good for you. That's pretty much it.
Stores that rent furniture, HDTV etc. exist because people use them, check cashing places that charge you for each check you cash exist, why, because people use them. Monthly exist for TiVo, why, because people use that method to pay TiVo for the service, if 99.9% of TiVo owners used Lifetime TiVo would stop monthly. I once took the time to figure out my monthly cost of my TiVos after an upgrade and sale of the old TiVo, it was from almost zero to a max of about $3/month, so even the $6.95 rate is not a good deal over the long run for anybody that can use E-Bay (or other methods) to sell the old TiVo.
I would, however, not use the work sucker to describe TiVo monthly users, as monthly is not any type of TiVo con game.
This thread is currently at 6 pages. The amount of money for the monthly service is very small for most peoples budgets. My Comcast triple play bill is over $200 a month.
I spend about $60 a month when I buy lunch at work. That could be eliminated by brown bagging, which is what I did when my income was lower.
The lifetime vs monthly has turned into a pissing contest about who is smarter.
"That could be eliminated by brown bagging. . ."
No. That expense could be reduced by brown bagging, unless you get cold cuts for free and your time has no value.
But I agree that it's time to move on . . .
Here's a question, if someone said they'd give you $75 right now, or $100 2 years from now, which would you take?
Make it $750 or $1000, I would say I really don't care.