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eSATA + internal upgrade: Any progress?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by jtown, May 8, 2007.

  1. Jun 27, 2007 #81 of 108
    GooberMan

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    Okay, so I'll have to get a SATA cable for the internal Tivo drive. The eSATA enclosure I ordered also has USB so I can use USB to connect it to my PC. Since SATA and USB both use "sd," how will I tell which is "sda" and which is "sdb"?
     
  2. Jun 27, 2007 #82 of 108
    George Cifranci

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    On my PC the drive I connected to the internal SATA port was named /dev/sda and the drive in the external enclosure (that I connected via USB) was /dev/sdb. I disconnected all other drives connected to my PC to avoid confusion. I then booted the MFSLive 1.2 CD.

    You can also type the command pdisk -l /dev/sda and as I recall it came up with info that mentioned "Apple" (since Tivo uses an Apple partition map). I remembered that and so deduced that the drive connected to /dev/sda was indeed my internal Tivo S3 drive. The other drive (my new external drive which was blank and unformatted) was /dev/sdb. I then ran the

    mfsadd -ex -r 4 /dev/sda /dev/sdb

    command which took just a moment. Then shutdown the computer and connected the internal Tivo S3 drive back up. Connected the eSata drive and powered it on. Then connected up and powered on the Tivo S3. After it boots up go into the System Information page and confirm how much recording time you have. I have two 750GB drives so I have 198 hours of HD (and 1878 hours SD as I recall).
     
  3. Jun 30, 2007 #83 of 108
    jetjock34

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    George.... you seem to have gotten this down pat so I ask that you clear upa couple of things for me.

    My computer does not have a SATA port. I will buy a pci card that will provide an esata connection.

    I connect the series 3 internal drive to computer throught this esata port. Leave the series 3 unplugged(?). Connect the new drive/enclosure to the computers usb port.
    Put the bootable cd in the cdrom drive. turn on computer which should boot from the cdrom drive......and run the previously mentioned command?


    Correct? Or is there something else or something incorrect?

    Thanks for your help!!!
     
  4. Jun 30, 2007 #84 of 108
    jlib

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    Remember, though, that the bare internal drive has a regular SATA connection. If you wanted to connect it to the external eSATA port on the new card you would need an uncommon SATA to eSATA cable. Perhaps your card also comes with internal SATA connections (and hopefully an included SATA to SATA cable). In any case, you need a way to go from the SATA connection on the drive to the new card via a cable of some sort.
     
  5. Jun 30, 2007 #85 of 108
    HaloBox

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    I get my cables from http://www.satacables.com/ or monoprice.com. They have whatever you need.
     
  6. Jun 30, 2007 #86 of 108
    jetjock34

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    Some of the PCI cards have one or more external esata ports and one or more internal SATA ports. I guess I will get one of those.

    How about for power purposes? Does/do the ports provide power to the drive or do I need to figure out how to power them. (I'm assuming the new drive connected via usb will have a power cord which plugs into an outlet.... what about the one in the tivo.. do I power up the tivo or does the port provide power... or some other way?)

    Thanks
     
  7. Jul 1, 2007 #87 of 108
    jlib

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    That is another consideration. There is no power on the data cable. Some newer SATA drives have dropped the old 4 pin power connector we are all used to. Since your PC doesn't have SATA on the motherboard it is not likely to have SATA power connectors either but check to be sure. It may have a more modern power supply. If just the old style 4 pin connectors you will need to get a 4 pin to 15 pin SATA power adapter cable.

    Also, if you buy a SATA card that says OEM in the description it usually does not include a SATA data cable. If it says retail box it usually will. Read the description carefully.
     
  8. Jul 1, 2007 #88 of 108
    larrs

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    I do not have a SATA-ready PC. Can any of this be handled with 2 external USB drives that will accept a SATA hard drive?
     
  9. Jul 1, 2007 #89 of 108
    spike2k5

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    Yes.
     
  10. Jul 1, 2007 #90 of 108
    jetjock34

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    Just plug both into a usb port, power them up, boot the computer with the aforementioned bootable cd, and run the command line??????
     
  11. Jul 1, 2007 #91 of 108
    jetjock34

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    Please note..... the above is a question.

    Thanks
     
  12. Jul 1, 2007 #92 of 108
    larrs

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    WooHoo.


    Great thanks. I have two external cases that take SATA and USB!
     
  13. Jul 1, 2007 #93 of 108
    jetjock34

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    Sorry... I was asking the question... not telling you it would work. I need the answer also. I problem I see is that the drive already in the TIVO may not be usb capable. Was not an issue when I purchased it so odds are it is not.

    Can anyone verify the abbreviated procedure I attempted to summarize (as a question) above?
     
  14. Jul 2, 2007 #94 of 108
    spike2k5

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    Internal drive itself does not have an usb port, so you will need an usb to sata adapter.
    If you have an eSATA drive that also has an usb port, you can hook it up that way.
     
  15. Jul 2, 2007 #95 of 108
    jetjock34

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    and lastly, how do I power the tivo's drive? (assuming that I don't power up the tivo)

    Thanks
     
  16. Jul 3, 2007 #96 of 108
    larrs

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    OK exsperts, I have the internal Drive (uograded 500GB) and a 750 GB drive in an external enclosure that does USB and eSata. I also have a second enclosure that I can use for the internal drive. How do I do this? How to tell which is A and which is B?
     
  17. Jul 4, 2007 #97 of 108
    jlib

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    If both enclosures are USB that is doable. The command cat /proc/partitions should give you the info you need to discern which drive is which if they are different sizes.
     
  18. Jul 5, 2007 #98 of 108
    larrs

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    Thanks, I'll give it a try this weekend.
     
  19. Jul 24, 2007 #99 of 108
    wackymann

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    What if both of your drives are identical? I have 2 750 GB Seagate DB35s - same exact make/model. How can I figure out which is the old drive and which is the new?
     
  20. jlib

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    Carmel...
    Use the pdisk method George Cifranci mentioned. It shows what kind of partition is on the drive.
     

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