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eSATA + internal upgrade: Any progress?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by jtown, May 8, 2007.

  1. May 22, 2007 #21 of 108
    jtown

    jtown New Member

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    I was waiting for a large deposit refund from a landlord who hadn't said a word since I moved out. Guy waited until the last possible day to say, "check's in the mail".

    At the same time, eSATA dropped into the mix. I didn't see any point in spending money immediately when I'd just leave the drive sitting in the box while waiting for word on options for double-expansion. I also wanted to see the results of a SATA RAID on the external port to verify the 1tb per channel limit.

    I also wanted to read some reviews to determine whether the drive would be too noisy. Since they announced a "CinemaStar" version, I wanted to verify that the DeskStar line would support AMM.

    By the time I got my check, was confident that double-expansion was possible, and read a couple reviews, the drive was sold out. It only took a couple of days but I'd waited too long. Now I have the OEM version on order.
     
  2. May 22, 2007 #22 of 108
    generaltso

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    Sounds like you had your reasons for not buying the drive. But I don't think it's fair to say that anyone was "costing you money."

    Upgrade your internal drive first. There will eventually be instructions for adding an external drive.
     
  3. May 22, 2007 #23 of 108
    jtown

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    Are you serious? It was a joke. That's what the smiley face was for.

    Some people really need to lighten up. :rolleyes:
     
  4. May 23, 2007 #24 of 108
    GooberMan

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    I have a 750gb internal drive on order and will order the S3 Sunday with the rebate. The drive already has Tivo software on it. Is it as simple as opening the case and swapping the drives or is this a more complicated procedure?
     
  5. May 23, 2007 #25 of 108
    Justin Thyme

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    That's it. Unscrew the Torx screws, unscrew the old drive from the frame, plug in the new drive to the power and data cable, screw everthing back together and you are done. I would do it in about 10 minutes. If you got the preformatted drive from weaknees, they will give you the torx wrench.

    Really. No big deal- you can't plug the cables in bass ackwards because they are shaped so that they can only be plugged in one way.

    In the S2's the only gotcha was that you could bump the white ribbon going to the front panel. Haven't heard of any similar gotcha's for S3s, but read the instructions for any such warnings.
     
  6. May 23, 2007 #26 of 108
    jtown

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    Do the swap before you get the cablecards installed. The code used by the cablecards to identify your device may (will?) change when you make the swap if you use a pre-imaged hard drive. It won't affect the S3's subscription to the Tivo service, though, just the cablecards. You can hook up the S3, try it out, make sure everything works, activate your tivo subscription, etc. before making the swap. Just don't get the cablecards installed until after you make the swap.

    That's my understanding, anyway, and I could be wrong. There's more info in the S3 upgrade threads.
     
  7. May 23, 2007 #27 of 108
    sfhub

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    Depends on how you do the install. OP didn't really mention. If you copy the image from the existing drive that paired the CableCARDs, then everything will be fine. If you use a different image, there is a chance the Data # used for pairing purposes could get regenerated.
     
  8. May 24, 2007 #28 of 108
    jtown

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    As he stated, it's one of those drop-in replacements.
     
  9. May 28, 2007 #29 of 108
    rudolpht

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    Any news? Send back the Appian?
     
  10. May 28, 2007 #30 of 108
    Gregor

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    IIRC, if you do a "clear and delete all" the drive will pick up the data from the motherboard so it generates the same cable card numbers as the original drive.
     
  11. May 28, 2007 #31 of 108
    AbMagFab

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    I've done this a couple times now, and a C&DE (which is required anyway if it's not a backup from that machine) works fine. At least for my Comcast/Moto cards, and I imagine all CC's.
     
  12. May 29, 2007 #32 of 108
    sfhub

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    Works fine in what sense? If you look at the CableCARD pairing screen there will be 3 #s that are important for Motorola cards, CableCARD ID, Host ID, and Data.

    The CableCARD and Host IDs stay the same, but the Data portion gets regenerated for certain situations (new CableCARDs, swapping CableCARDs, Clear & Delete Everything)

    If the Data portion changes, your pairing is broken until you update the cable company.

    Whether you notice if the pairing is broken depends on whether your cable company has enabled copy protection (ie non-zero CCI values) Copy protection is something the cable company can enable *in addition to* the regular encryption of shows, but not all areas have it enabled.

    If your CCI values are all zeros, then the pairing is not that important in the short run. You can swap CableCARD from slot 1/2, you can even swap CableCARDs between different S3s, your TVs, etc. It all just works even though the pairing is broken.

    However, this leads to many folks mistakenly thinking there is no problem with Clear & Delete Everything, because copy protection hasn't been enabled yet and they don't notice any problems. One day the cable company enables copy protection and suddenly they lose access to Showtime, Cinemax, etc.

    This happened to many folks in the SF Bay Area and there is a whole thread about people trying to get the pairing fixed. Sometimes it is a 15 minute procedure, sometimes it is a multi-week ordeal with multiple truck rolls. It just depends who you get on the phone.
     
  13. May 29, 2007 #33 of 108
    CrispyCritter

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    I've only seen reports to the contrary(one here) : "Clear and delete all" resets the cable slots as well (and I think you want it to), so you will get a new "Data" number when you next use the slots.
     
  14. May 29, 2007 #34 of 108
    AbMagFab

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    Works fine in the sense that I've now done 3 C&DE on two different drives, and the CC's get reauthorized and I get all my digital and HD premium channels.

    That's what "works fine" generally means.
     
  15. May 29, 2007 #35 of 108
    sfhub

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    Does the Host Validation in the Conditional Access page say "Valid"?

    As has been mentioned, being able to view your channels is not the same thing as having your CableCARDs properly paired. This can lead folks to the wrong conclusion.

    "Works fine" is ambiguous. Paired properly with Host Validation "Valid" is much clearer.
     
  16. May 29, 2007 #36 of 108
    AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

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    I won't be at my TV any time soon, but what difference does it make if all my channels come in and I can record them, and play back old recordings?
     
  17. May 30, 2007 #37 of 108
    Roderigo

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    It makes a difference if your cable company suddenly turns on copy protection, like Comcast has done in several market areas (Denver, SF Bay area are the two I've seen referenced on here). It will go from working fine, to not working on whatever channels have copy protection. If your cable company thinks they've properly paired the cards at install time, they won't have any qualms about suddenly turning it on. And, if this happens at the start of a 2-week vacation, then you're SOL.
     
  18. May 30, 2007 #38 of 108
    CrispyCritter

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    It makes no difference for you at the moment (besides making your life much easier!), but it makes a difference in whether the lessons from your experiences will be true for others in this forum. My local franchise does not pair the cards and hosts at the moment (ie, they don't use the "data" field), so I can move the cablecards between slots and between equipment. I would have no problem with a C&DE. But as reported, that's not true for most (?) people out out there.

    Is anybody buying Father's Day S3 in an area that they know doesn't pair? Would you be willing to do a C&DE on your new TiVo after getting cablecards, writing down all the cablecards numbers (but especially the "data" field) both before and after the C&DE?
     
  19. Jun 1, 2007 #39 of 108
    spike2k5

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    Method #2 is released (published) in case anyone is waiting for it.

    (expanded internal drive + eSATA)

    You will have to pull your internal drive and hook it upto a computer along with an eSATA drive.

    Get the boot cd from mfslive.org
     
  20. Jun 1, 2007 #40 of 108
    URPREY

    URPREY Closet TiVo User

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    When I first read your post I thought you meant "out" as in wasn't going to be available, crossed off the list, etc ;)

    After the third time I read it I understood that you meant that the method was available for download.

    Nice job!
     

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