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eSata Expansion: How was it discovered?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Bighouse, May 8, 2007.

  1. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

    Feb 28, 2001
    Agreed. Known codes from spike2k5

    Kickstart code 6 2 - initialize E-SATA drive
    Kickstart code 5 1 - software upgrade
    Kickstart code 5 2 - emergency reinstall
    Kickstart code 5 3 - BER testing
    Kickstart code 5 4 - HDD test
    Kickstart code 5 5 - Tuner/AFT test
    Kickstart code 5 6 - software install
    Kickstart code 5 7 - force MFS check
    Kickstart code 5 8 - perform MFS cleanup
    Tray open code 111 - will open tray
  2. Riverdome

    Riverdome Member

    May 12, 2005
    Not when we are talking about software. You give up that "right" when you sign off on the EULA.
  3. miller890

    miller890 Member

    Feb 15, 2002
    I wonder how long it will take them to make it official, or what the official eSata drive will be if they decide to go that way. Seems like a good move on TiVo's part with so many drive types, they can't test them all. Right now they are not on the hook for any user related eSata problems or loss of recorded content.
  4. lcann44

    lcann44 New Member

    Apr 15, 2007

    I'm getting real tired of saying this. The eSATA issue was cleared by cablelabs. That's why spike2k5 announced it here. Since the issue is cleared why in Gods name would there be any reason for TiVo to screw all of us who now have eSATA's?

    All this worrying about an "official announcement" is just paranoia. Quit worrying about it. The one poster who said doesn't want to miss anything "specially at this time of year" that's EXACTLY the reason to get the eSATA. Stock up for Summer. :)
  5. Bighouse

    Bighouse 200 Club Member

    Sep 3, 2004
    Guerneville, CA
    So....you're saying we can go ahead and purchase whatever enclosure/drive units we want and you'll buy it all back from us if TiVo does something to limit/change the drive compatibility choices?!?!? ;)
  6. phox_mulder

    phox_mulder I get paid 2watch TV

    Feb 23, 2006
    Salt Lake...
    The chances of TiVo sending down new software that disables anything larger than the stock 250G internal drive are slim to none.

    The chances of TiVo sending down new software that disables the eSata kickstart code are pretty good, since it is not part of their current Cablelabs certification.

    What were they thinking anyway, the first TiVo's had what, 14 hours? then then went to 20, 40, 80 and up. Bit backwards of them to go back to 30 hours for the stock S3.

  7. lcann44

    lcann44 New Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    Ridiculous. Since Cablelabs has certified the eSATA what difference does it make how it's started?

    Pure paranoia. And if the chances were that good then why wouldn't any of the TiVo guys, who I'm sure are well aware of what we are doing told us it would be in our interest not to do this? Do you think they want to piss off all of us who have activated our eSATA's? That would be just plain bad business. If it's really any kind of issue somebody would have came forward today and said something at least by now. Not one word from Pony or Jerry, both of whom I've seen post today.

    And how do you know it isn't part of the CableLabs certification. Assuming someone was having a problem this kickstart may be part of a fix. Or maybe it's just the way it will be done. Not so far fetched IMHO.
  8. spike2k5

    spike2k5 New Member

    Feb 21, 2006
    To disable eSATA, they have to do some modification to Linux kernel, drivers, and TiVo software so it will take a while to implement and test.
    So you got sometime to enjoy. I doubt they will take the time and resources to do it though.
    Even if they do it, you can always block software updates and run 8.1.1 or 8.3.1 software.
    If they stop sending guide data for 8.1.1 or 8.3.1 software, then they is a way to fix that as well.

    So enjoy and let us know if you have any problems.
  9. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Quad Sillies
    Doubt that's very many in real terms...I'm willing to bet the vast majority of S3 owners who frequent these fora are waiting...
    You ARE kidding, right? You've got to be drinking some serious Kool Aid to think that's the "way it will be done".
  10. Gregor

    Gregor save the princess save the world

    Feb 18, 2002
    It might have been the price of 500gb or 750 gb drives that pushed the price point up. Sales might have been lower if the price was much higher.

    Maybe Tivo will sell S3s with bigger drives in the future.
  11. greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

    May 21, 2004
    A stock S3 is 300 hours! (SD, of course). ;)
  12. wierdo

    wierdo New Member

    Apr 7, 2002
    Arkansas, US
    They all say that, but in the real world, it's unenforceable, unless you are driven bankrupt by the cost of an attorney, which is, I suppose, a backhanded form of enforcement.

    EULAs say a lot of things, most of which won't hold up in a court of law. Besides, if your wife agrees to the license agreement, that in no way binds you to do (or not do) anything.
  13. lcann44

    lcann44 New Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    You can block an update? spike2k5, your the first person on my buddy list.
  14. lcann44

    lcann44 New Member

    Apr 15, 2007

    I think many people have. I doubt the majority. Still it's money invested from their customers. I'll bet more then a couple hundred have upgraded.

    I'm serious as a heart attack. And I'm probably dead wrong on this one. :)

    Probably wishful thinking on my part.
  15. abates25

    abates25 New Member

    Feb 7, 2007
    I ordered a 750GB seagate today. As others have said, if they do disable it, I still have a nice new 750GB drive to use on my mac mini media center.

    What I'd love to know is how to block and update...that will make me far more comfortable about doing this.
  16. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    Most likely. They haven't yet.
    Since it seems Cablelabs may have approved eSata, they may leave them alone, and include official eSATA support.
    No, the original TiVos had 13GB drives, then 20, 30, 40, 60, and on up. The "reduction" to 30 hours is not a downgrade, but an upgrade, since the 30 hours is in HD.
  17. dianebrat

    dianebrat drastically off narrative TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    I suggest a poll!
  18. Gregor

    Gregor save the princess save the world

    Feb 18, 2002
    AFAIK, Tivo hasn't downloaded an upgrade that broke a bigger HD on other machines.
  19. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Jan 6, 2003
    Houston &...
    Uh oh guys, I think I might have messed up. Does anyone have the KS code for "close tray"?

  20. mattack

    mattack Active Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    I looked around there a bit (not at the forums though I admit). Is there any chance of a version of this that works with EFI machines? (You know, like all of the Intel Macs..) I don't know the status of Linux & EFI.

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