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DVRupgrade.com's INSTANTCAKE is out of date

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by w2jo, Jul 21, 2012.

  1. dlfl

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    I agree. 1 TB is plenty for me. But since "more is always better" to most people, I know that is a minority viewpoint. :)
     
  2. Stormspace

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    Excuse me if I'm just being stupid. I recently found a copy of Instant Cake laying around, yard sale or something, yeah yeah, yard sale. At any rate I looked at the contents of the disk and low an behold I see a GPL license and a license text indicating that IC can be distributed for free. True? If so, how do these guys get away with selling it?
     
  3. unitron

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    I'm going to guess that only part of what's on that disc is GPL'ed, and that other parts, like the TiVo-specific software, are not, although I'd really like to know exactly what kind of deal they have in place with TiVo, Inc.
     
  4. mattack

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    Even if something is GPLed, you can sell it.. you just have to provide source on demand (very simplistic explanation).

    e.g. you could sell binaries for people who don't know how to build it for themselves.

    (the other answer is probably right too -- presumably some of it isn't GPLed)
     
  5. lew

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    The physical address for both companies is the same.

    The bottom of DVRUPGRADE'S home page says "in partnership with the Tivo Superstore" Clicking on the word tivo links to Weaknees site.

    Lou stopped posting around the same time of the rumored merger/take over.
     
  6. Wil

    Wil Senile Member

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    Has customer service been maintained at the same sterling level?
     
  7. rayik

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    That is becasue the linux kernel on instantcake is an old one and does not have sata drivers. Thus, it will not recognize any device plugged into a SATA port.

    A good strategy for preparing for the eventual day the hard drive goes bad, is to use WinMFS to make a backup of the hard drive that comes with the TIVO while it is still working properly. Thus, when the day comes that it dies, you already have the tivo image and can just throw it on a new hard drive. (If you are worried about warranty, just wait until the tivo goes out of warranty and then the next week make a backup image of the drive with WinMFS.)
     
  8. unitron

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    For $40 a pop, you'd think they could manage to update the kernal to include SATA drives.
     
  9. lpwcomp

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    I seriously doubt the accuracy of that statement. If it were true, DVRupgrade would be guilty of both civil and criminal fraud.
     
  10. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    No doubt. I could accept the price hike if they actually updated their software, but it appears it was/is just a money grab.
     
  11. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    I'm aware of that, however the license specifically states that "Instant Cake" can be distributed for free. If that's really the case, why aren't more sites hosting it? Is IC a GPL'd product?
     
  12. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    Here is the text of the License.txt file included on the disk.

    Code:
    This file is part of InstantCake.
    
    InstantCake is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
    it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
    the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
    (at your option) any later version.
    
    InstantCake is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
    but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
    MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
    GNU General Public License for more details.
    
    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
    along with InstantCake; if not, write to the Free Software
    Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA  02111-1307  USA
     
  13. unitron

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    It may say that, but that's not enough to make it true in the sense that everything on the disk is free.

    I can burn a cd with Windows XP on it with an added text file saying everything on the cd is free and freely re-distributable, but my little text file does not make it so.

    Part of what's on an IC cd is software that belongs to TiVo, which means the IC folks are not legally able to declare it free for redistribution.


    Do you see anything on there about the source code for IC being available?
     
  14. Stormspace

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    Part of the reason I was looking for some confirmation. Here's the only other file on the disk that has anything relating to the GPL and source.

    Code:
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    Looks like standard GPL language with no info about source location. It's possible the GPL claim is bogus, but again...
     
  15. unitron

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    I had no idea GPL had been around that long. It's old enough to vote.

    IC loads some version of Linux as an OS when you boot from it, so that part is GPL'ed.

    Some of the TiVo software is actually Linux, so that part is GPL'ed.

    Some of it was actually written by TiVo, so that part it proprietary.

    The part of IC that handles the specific task of putting the image on the hard drive, I don't know who wrote that or under what sort of license it's distributed or if the source code for it is available or not.

    Personally I consider the entire Instant Cake package to be a commercial product for which I should pay if I'm going to use it, and which I am not authorized to re-distribute.

    If a copy happened to fall into my lap, I'm not sure about the ethics of extracting just the TiVo image and using some other form of MFS Tools or MFS Live to restore it to a hard drive. It's not like the image itself is theirs, because if it's anybody's, it's TiVo's, although apparently they are licensed by TiVo to distribute it.

    Because it's a commercial product I feel just as free to express an opinion of whether it's worth the asking price as I would for any other commercial product.

    If a copy happened to fall into my lap, any expectation that I would destroy it without taking a look to see what's on there are, of course, completely a case of "They don't know me very well, do they?".
     
  16. magnus

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    It's not speculation. They did. And they increased the price. They don't want to have instant cake out there and that seems to be the reason for the huge price increase. I'm not sure why they just don't kill it unless it's part of the agreement that they had with Lou. Maybe they have to keep it out there for so many years.

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/loujacob

     
  17. laddanator

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    The disc format used that the IC CD was made from will not allow editing. The HD I need shows up as hdi but that is not a choice if you use "other" choice from CD. SO I extracted the CD and edited the PVTbake file to add hdi as a choice and used mkisofs to make a new R10 IC ISO with this command

    CD boots up fine but gives an error that /cdrom/.live/PVTbake file cannot be found. This does not occur with original CD. I bought this in 2008 and do not have the original ISO anymore or I would just mount the ISO and edit the PVTbake file and unmount without disturbing any of the original boot track but misplaced it and can't spend 40 bucks on a new one just to see if my modded PVTbake file works. Would be nice to have an ISO encase my CD gives out.

    Downloaded the newest MFSLive cd but every computer I boot the CD on hangs midway in so I can't use mfstools to install the IC image from USB.

    UPDATE:

    Ok, got things working like I want. I don't know why I didn't use UltraISO in the beginning so I put the IC CD in and opened UltraISO and save the CD to ISO and the original boot track was preserved so I edited PVTbake_advance file with hdi as that is my drive and added some sata commands as paths and I now have a IC disc that is baking a cake to my hdi sata drive.
     
  18. e30cabrio

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    I found my old SAT T60 which has lifetime in storage and decided "I don't have enough aggravation, lets replace this noisy 40gb hdd and use it.

    I got a cachecard/turbonet card on eBay, and set to imaging a drive.

    First I ran into the no PC that has less than 8 sata ports and dragged a Dell 4600 out of teh garage only to find BOTH optical drives were dead. Of course I have numerous drives and even found a working IDE, then I gept getting a timeout as apparently it does not see the SATA drive so I found an IDE drive only to find once the Linux was loaded and teh program(s) were loaded the USB KBB was no longer seen. I ordered a PS/2-USB adapter which came yesterday BUT WAS REVERSED. I have a PS/2 KBB out for USPS delivery this morning (thanks Amazon Prime) hopefully 27th time will be the charm?
     
  19. scottsh

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    Since the image belongs to Tivo, it doesn't matter what IC has done with it, technically you should get permission from Tivo before redistributing it. That said, since you can't use the Tivo image without their hardware, it seems they are rather liberal with the use. If you want to sell something with it you need permission but otherwise they look to be supporting all the cool thing we do with our Tivos.
     
  20. lpwcomp

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    Where the heck have you been? At best, TiVo turns a blind eye to some things. At worst (at least so far), they order the removal of images from free download sites.
     

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