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Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by ggieseke, Apr 13, 2013.
OK, I'll give it a try. Thanks.
Can I get a link to an image file in case I need it?
Does anyone have an image for a 746320? I want to keep my old drive as a backup and I messed it up when I was trying to learn how to upgrade...
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Dumb question perhaps but I'm getting ready to reload a Premiere 746320 which I have a good image file, when I restore the image with dvrBARS, it doesn't have to be the orginal size 320 Gb or will a larger drive work and be able to use the full capacity of the larger drive once restored?
If it expands the 320gb image to full larger capacity, what is the largest drive it can handle, 2tb? I have a couple 320gb drives but since I'm going to sell them if they check out ok, i'm hoping to put something larger in them. Kick me for not reading the instructions but it's been a long day and I'm about to call it a day.!
I haven't used dvrBARS hardly at all except for a bad drive that I tried to backup but it was too far gone to save. Tomorrow I'm planning on finally getting around to fixing a couple TCD746320's that I have have laying around that are missing drives.
You can restore the image to any size drive that is at least as large as the image. The limiting factor on the maximum size of the drive is the OS version on the image you are restoring. All the images support 2TB but only the latest images support drives larger than 2TB. DvrBARS does not expand. You will have to use JMFS for that. You can take a premiere up to 4TB if you wish but it is not as straight forward as taking it up to 2TB.
Thanks, ggieseke. You're doing great stuff here.
I've got a TiVo Premiere XL (TCD748000) that has some bad sectors. I was seeing some freezing and stuttering during playback so I ran kickstart 54. It shows "Fail 7" next to the short S.M.A.R.T. result. This unit has the original 1GB hard drive. I just ordered a new WD20EURX hard drive. I want to make a backup of the settings first (truncated backup), then copy all settings AND recordings to the new drive, expand, and finally, supersize.
I've upgraded TiVo hard drives previously, but it's been a while. I looked at some of the older tools and found that they probably won't work with drives from newer TiVos. I've been spending the day searching for the most notable tools to use that will work with my TiVo.
It seems as though JMFS, WinMFS, and DvrBARS can all work with my TiVo's hard drive, at least to some extent.
I've done lots of reading in many forums but it takes forever to see if a specific upgrade (such as mine, WITH SECTOR ERRORS) has been done successfully, which software was used to copy, which was used to expand (hopefully by making partitions larger instead of adding new partitions), and which was used to supersize.
Which tools do you folks suggest that I use for my upgrade? Do I need to mix/match some of the above tools with ddrescue to perform my drive copy/upgrade?
Has anybody figured out if transferring all the data from the original drive to the new WD20EURX (a 4K Advanced Format drive) will cause any slowdown if partitions aren't properly aligned?
For the tools that run under Windows, is it okay to use Windows 8.1 Update? I could easily set up one of my older PCs with XP SP3 or Windows 7 if that's safer. (I managed to hose an XP laptop drive a few months ago by connecting it to my Windows 8 system. It added many new attributes to just about every file on the drive. That's why I'm a bit scared about connecting "any drive" to a Windows 8 system.)
Thank you VERY MUCH,
Bill in MA US
Beginning with the first Series 4, the original Premiere, (746320), you can't actually "do" anything with WinMFS or the MFS Live cd (or anything else based on MFS Tools) because of changes TiVo made in the partition layout and file system.
I vote in favor of a separate TiVo wrangling PC running XP SP3 or 7, and plugged into a UPS.
You can't use WinMFS on a Premiere. DvrBARS will handle the truncated backup but it can't expand or supersize. You have to use jmfs for that.
Since you will have to use jmfs for the expansion anyway I would use it for the full copy too. You could do it with DvrBARS but it would take two steps (backup and restore).
DvrBARS is fine with Windows 8 and jmfs is a linux boot disk. Just stay out of Disk Manager while Windows is running.
The factory partitions on a 748 aren't 4K aligned, but I doubt that you will notice any performance issues. The expansion works by adding a partition, not resizing the existing ones. If you really want 4K alignment and larger partitions I could probably walk you through putting an Elite image on the new drive. That's what I did on my 748 and it has been stable for almost a year now. Of course, you would lose any recordings that you can't copy to your PC.
So ... don't bother with ddrescue, just use jmfs? What will jmfs do as it comes across each "bad sector"?
Once I install the new drive (with copied data) into my TiVo, should I initiate a kickstart 57 and/or 58? Anything else?
(It took me a while to figure out how to kickstart my TiVo Premiere XL -- many sources said to press and HOLD the pause button, but I finally found one site that said "But for the Premiere, just press and release the pause button; don't hold it.")
A short time ago I got my little XP SP3 system set up. It's got a smallish hard drive, but figured it would be good enough to store the Truncated Backup. I started DvrBARS and chose Truncated Backup. After a while a pop-up popped up saying "Backing up 362.26GB of 931.51GB. Press the right arrow or double-click Begin Backup to continue."
That's a lot bigger than I expected. The drive on this little PC isn't big enough to hold it. Is there anything I can do to ensmallen the Truncated Backup?
The "Confirm Source Drive" screen showed:
Format: TiVo (R)
I followed ggieseke's advice and ran a full backup on the internal 320 gb drive. I then did a full restore to a WD blue 500gb drive and put it back to test and all seems well. External drive hooked up and all recordings seem intact. Thanks for the help.
One more question: If I take the 500gb out and expand and supersize with jmfs will all the recordings (external drive too) still work?
They have changed something recently that seems to throw off the Truncated backup. Normally it should only take about 1.5-2GB.
It's a moving target as they transition from the old tyDb database to the new SQLite database. I hope to patch it soon - sorry about that.
Just for the fun of i, I tried running DvrBARS on my Windows 8.1 Update system. I don't use Metro -- I only use the desktop. I put the program on my desktop. I used right-click to run as administrator. I got a prompt for UAC and allowed it. My mouse pointer briefly turned from an arrow to a swirl, indicating that something was happening, but that only lasted for a few seconds. The program never started.
The event log shows:
Event ID: 1000
Faulting application name: DvrBARS.exe, version: 22.214.171.124, time stamp: 0x516bd007
Faulting module name: DvrBARS.exe, version: 126.96.36.199, time stamp: 0x516bd007
Exception code: 0xc000000d
Fault offset: 0x00002ce2
Let me know if you'd be interested in seeing any additional details from the event log.
That why I have an old P4 HP computer with XP and the internet turned off as MS is not supporting XP anymore. I load new programs using a USB stick. The side cover is off and I have two SATA ports coming out, and one ATA port. Does all TiVo work I need doing, and the computer has no value if I tried to sell it.
Is the account you're using a member of the Administrators group? Even when using Run as administrator it needs a certain set of rights to elevate them the rest of the way. You might also try decreasing or disabling UAC altogether.
Could you please PM me the link for the TCD748000 image? We just got bitten with the Kickstart 57 bug and are stuck in boot loop hell.