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Dvr Backup And Restore Software for Windows (DvrBARS)

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by ggieseke, Apr 13, 2013.

  1. Apr 17, 2014 #561 of 1474
    eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    Replacing the drive yes however the problem though is the protected content, as for example the HBO etc which that isn't a big deal as typically they re-run the same movies over and over but if you purchase a HD movie off Amazon which is tied to the box, if you lose the drive, you lose the purchase (Gravity HD I paid $20 bucks for!). I doubt Amazon will refund my money or offer an additional download ability in say, two years from now should my Roamio drive go bad which it will eventually since no hard drive last forever.

    I would PAY to have a utility that would back up my Roamio drive as I suspect others might too if reasonable priced. I can understand the issue would be to properly enforce the copyright protection as I can see it possible for some one to distribute a image that contains a series of desirable HD movies.....
     
  2. Apr 18, 2014 #562 of 1474
    ggieseke

    ggieseke Active Member

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    Content protection isn't really an issue since all the recordings are encrypted and will only play on that TiVo. I just don't know how many people would dedicate 3 or 4 TB and pull the drive just to back up their content.

    I'll keep it in mind.
     
  3. Apr 18, 2014 #563 of 1474
    HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    Amazon digital purchases aren't tied to the TiVo you "purchased" it on. I can go to my Video Library on Amazon and download purchases to any of our 3 TiVo's (I think someone has mentioned that you can have it on up to 2 at the same time although I noticed that a number of mine indicate 4 download licenses available now).

    Where did you get the idea that it was limited to that one device?

    Scott
     
  4. Apr 18, 2014 #564 of 1474
    eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    You are limited to x number of downloads per what ever is set for a particular content, for example purchased Gravity HD and Amazon allowed 2 downloads. I downloaded once to my Tivo and the other to my PC (which wasn't HD but still counts) and now I have no further option to download Gravity anywere else.

    Should my Tivo hard drive go bad, I will no longer have it as one of the downloads was used when it was transferred to one of my TiVo's.

    I have all my Tivo registered at Amazon and can have purchases transfered to any of them however they don't allow you to transfer to all of them or allow that content to be transfered to another Tivo on your account once it's downloaded from Amazon. Now I guess as in my example of Gravity, I could have used my 2 downloads to 2 of my TiVo's which would have allowed a better chance of surviving a individual hard drive failure.

    In retrospect, I should have just purchased the Blu-ray disk and ripped in order to archive the content, I understand the copyright issues esp with rental content but there needs to be a better provision for maintaining content when you purchase the full digital version.
     
  5. Apr 18, 2014 #565 of 1474
    HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    I don't have a lot of Amazon digital content as I've used it only occasionally to pick up missed TV episodes. Odd that the older Big Bang Theory episode that I did recently still shows all download licenses as available but I did check one that was a few years old and it does only show 1 download available. I was basing my statement on the latest example I had where all the licenses were showing available after we had watched and deleted the episode and the following from Amazon's website.

    Amazon Instant Video stores your purchased videos in Your Video Library for re-download so your videos don't have to take up space on your TiVo DVR

    Scott
     
  6. Apr 18, 2014 #566 of 1474
    imrf

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    Speaking of that. Can you PM some info on them? I'm too new of a member to PM anyone.
     
  7. Apr 18, 2014 #567 of 1474
    infin

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    I have a series 2 with 2 upgraded 250gb drives in it, the drives are dying so i went to go back it up. It made me select "full" option since it detected both drives. The image it backed up is only 240gb, did it only backup one drive? or is this normal? i didnt see a way to select both drives to backup at once, i just selected the main one.
     
  8. Apr 18, 2014 #568 of 1474
    eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    Yes, I see your point however with the much larger drives, you have so much more at stack and with more and more cable companies setting the copy once flag, backing up with Kmttg/desktop isn't as good as it once was. My cable provider just inflicted the copy limits on me this last January and I wasn't aware of the woes of such until just recently.

    If my 3tb drive in my Roamio dies with no backup, I will be a basket case.
     
  9. Apr 18, 2014 #569 of 1474
    infin

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    Well i plugged the drive in the Tivo and it said it was missing a previously attached external drive. Let it load and 90% of the recordings are gone. Is there anyway to get them off the other drive?
     
  10. Apr 18, 2014 #570 of 1474
    ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    No, they are stored using both drives at the same time, parts on 1 drive and other parts on the other.
     
  11. Apr 18, 2014 #571 of 1474
    infin

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    so no way of combining the backup files?
     
  12. Apr 19, 2014 #572 of 1474
    Cybernut

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    eboydog - Luckily for me on FiOS it's still just Cinemax & HBO that's flagged as copy-once. But even for copy-once shows, kmttg has devised a pretty good solution several versions ago but you'll have to spend a little bit to get that benefit.

    Basically you'll need to buy a slingbox and then use kmttg to capture the slingbox signal. Read up on kmttg's wiki if you are interested in this feature. It may be a bit more manual process than regular kmttg operation but it works.
     
  13. Apr 19, 2014 #573 of 1474
    ggieseke

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    To back up both drives you have two options:

    1) Do two separate Full backups (one for each drive).

    2) Connect both drives to the computer and choose Modified Full backup. When it asks you to select a drive pick the primary drive. It will see that it's married and ask you to select the second drive.

    Either method will result in a separate VHD file for each drive, which you can restore one at a time. Modified Full should be faster and result in smaller files since it skips the unused sectors.
     
  14. Apr 19, 2014 #574 of 1474
    ggieseke

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    I may be able to bodge something together after I finish the drive-to-drive copy and expand program. With the right drivers you could also use Linux and dd or ddrescue to image the drive to a single raw file.
     
  15. Apr 19, 2014 #575 of 1474
    steve614

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    I think you are mistaken about this. It is my understanding that Amazon limits the number of copies you can have on any device to 2 (at least this is true for my copy of Prometheus).
    I have one copy on my TivoHD and one still available for download to another device.
    I assume if I were to delete the copy on my TivoHD, the download count would go back to 2, because I wouldn't have a copy of the movie on any device.
    Having said that, I am not going to test this on the small chance I am wrong. :p If anyone else can confirm what I said above is true, please speak up, otherwise my curiosity may get the better of me. :)
     
  16. Apr 19, 2014 #576 of 1474
    Dago Red

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    I have done this a few times before. After you delete the program, you need to also remove it from "Recently Deleted". Once the Tivo syncs again with Amazon, the download counter should increment. In any case, Amazon has great customer service and if there is any issue, they can adjust it manually.
     
  17. Apr 19, 2014 #577 of 1474
    eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    Interesting, I made the assumption that once downloaded there was no further synchronization. I understand what you are describing I just assumed there wasn't any further communications to Amazon once it confirmed the content had been loaded on a particular device. I will see check that later with a free download to see if such works, in fact I will try that on my PC as I had recently reload it so the downloads on it were removed.

    It would make sense that there would be some type of assurance that content you purchase remains viable in situations were it can be lost once it's on your Tivo.
     
  18. Apr 19, 2014 #578 of 1474
    Cybernut

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    So I think the lesson from this is that if you are upgrading your drive, it is best to manually remove all Amazon purchases BEFORE replacing the drive. However, that may not always work as in the case of a TiVo drive failure when you cannot access the drive any more.


    I completely agree about Amazon's legendary customer service on situations like this. An example was around the past Holidays, I had purchased a movie on Amazon using a free credit value I had accrued from other Amazon digital purchases. But after I made the purchase (I hadn't downloaded it to my device yet but it had been purchased) I called them when I realized that it was not the HD version of the movie and asked how I can cancel the purchase and re-purchase the HD movie. They manually cancelled the purchase for me and then asked me to re-purchase it again. I did and expected to pay $2 out-of-pocket since my free Amazon credit was only for $10, but to my pleasant surprise Amazon covered the additional $2 or $3 the HD version cost - so I got the HD movie for completely free :)

    I have no doubt if one's movie's download count needed adjustment manually in the event of a TiVo drive failure, a quick call to Amazon's customer service would resolve the issue - they'll be able to remove the download from the Tivo device allowing you re-download again. I know for Amazon mp3's you don't even need to make a call - you can simply re-download the song from the Amazon digital library after logging into your account and going to your digital orders section of your account.
     
  19. Apr 24, 2014 #579 of 1474
    gsol

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    I have a 746320 with a WD 1 TB external esata hooked up. If I use dvrBARS to clone the internal drive and install it will it recognize the external with all the recordings?

    Thanks
     
  20. Apr 25, 2014 #580 of 1474
    ggieseke

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    To run a Modified Full backup you'll have to have both drives connected to your PC since it needs to read the entire MFS filesystem. If you use the Full backup method you could just backup the internal drive.

    Either way, the external and all of the recordings should be intact.
     

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