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Dvr Backup And Restore Software for Windows (DvrBARS)

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by ggieseke, Apr 13, 2013.

  1. Feb 23, 2014 #501 of 1474
    ozzy1983

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    Ok, I agree it is more likely on the Tivo side now. I am able to do a Truncated backup with this drive and that makes me feel all my computer connections are correct and the cables are fine.

    I am sure it's spinning up in the Tivo because I can hear it, but I'm not sure if the SATA cable is good. Does anyone know how to go about replacing Tivo internal cables?
     
  2. Feb 23, 2014 #502 of 1474
    ozzy1983

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    Yeah I just double checked the drive in the Tivo, it is definitely getting power. That means there must be something wrong with the SATA connection if there is an internal problem with the Tivo.
     
  3. Feb 23, 2014 #503 of 1474
    ggieseke

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    Troubleshooting a Premiere is a bi*ch because the factory drive connection has the power and SATA molded into one plug. Unless you want to try to cut the factory connector into two pieces (which I don't recommend), you can use any standard SATA cable for the data connection. You'll have to find some other way to power up the drive - maybe from your PC?
     
  4. Feb 23, 2014 #504 of 1474
    ozzy1983

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    I'm still not entirely sure about the cables though. Why when I plugged in the old (and essentially dead) drive did I get a locked welcome screen (would sit for hours locked on the welcome screen), but when I did a restore on it with the same image (just messing around to see what would happen) it went into the same boot loop as the new drive? This to me says the power and SATA are connecting from the Tivo but the information it is getting from the new image is causing the boot loop, but you guys know way more about this than I do. It's just a thought as I have no way of rewiring this at this point, but it did seem odd to me that before the old drive was changed (just as it was when I determined I needed to change it) it would stay on the welcome screen, but after it was restored with this image it did the same boot loop. Something to think about.
     
  5. Feb 23, 2014 #505 of 1474
    jmbach

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    Give me a sec. I think I have another image you can try. I'll PM you the link.

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
     
  6. Feb 23, 2014 #506 of 1474
    ozzy1983

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    Oh, that'd be great. That would certainly tell me if it's a problem with the image or not.
     
  7. Feb 23, 2014 #507 of 1474
    ozzy1983

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    I don't know how everyone else here feels but I love the premiere xl. That is why I'm going to such lengths to try to repair it. I'm not aware of other devices that work with it, such as a "whole house server", but as a media player for a single TV it is superb. I actually don't like it for Netflix, and I use it for Amazon only if I'm not streaming (like downloading for rental). My cable provider is Comcast and once they install the cablecard and pair it to your account properly (it took forever to get this right because Comcast techs don't know anything about TiVos) it works well with their service and using xfinity on-demand works very well through this Tivo.

    As far as cost when I originally bought it I paid something like $800 for it and for lifetime service, however the lifetime service I believe was $500. So now that you can get a new one for $150 (and some show as used for less than $80 on Amazon) then the cost with lifetime should be lower.

    Media transfers? I know you can transfer recorded shows to your computer using TiVo's software (TiVo Desktop), and I think you can stream sound and video files on your home network but I don't do that. Overall it serves the purpose of a DVR quite well.
     
  8. Feb 23, 2014 #508 of 1474
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    He was asking about the THR22-100 since he is thinking about switching to DirecTV. A Premiere would be useless since no Series 3 or later standalone TiVo will work with Satellite TV.
     
  9. Feb 23, 2014 #509 of 1474
    ozzy1983

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    My mistake. I'm new to forums in general and I didn't notice the little quote referring to that post. Well I still stand by what I said for anyone considering the Premiere XL :cool:
     
  10. Feb 24, 2014 #510 of 1474
    ozzy1983

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    Does anyone know how to clear any HPA restrictions on a drive from windows or maybe DOS prompt? Or at least check to see if it's been enabled and has made the visible drive smaller? I tried jmfs and it threw a kernel error using the hdparm -N method. My drive is 2TB and jmbach has sent me an image of a 2TB drive and DvrBARS says my 2TB drive is too small for the restore. jmbach seems to think that my BIOS have enabled an HPA change on the drive and made it appear smaller. However, my BIOS has no HPA tools or setting at all. In DvrBARS the drive shows up as 1.82TB (I know Windows counts using their stupid 1024 bytes = 1kB or 1 kiB and 1024 kiB = 1MiB method so I know why it isn't a full 2TB), however in jmfs it is listed as 2000.3 GB.

    Any ideas? This has me going crazy. I've been trying to repair this TiVo for nearly 2 weeks now (my wife and I are both going nuts with only Netflix and DVDs to watch and we can't afford to even just get a Comcast DVR to hold us over) and I know you guys on this forum have way more knowledge about TiVos than I do. I feel if I could just get a proper image to load on my drive the TiVo would function again (since all of it's troubles were very obviously HD related i.e. freezing in the middle of shows, constant reboots, and slow responses) but it's driving me crazy trying to get that to happen. I'm sure most of you know the feeling. Thank you all again for your help.
     
  11. Feb 24, 2014 #511 of 1474
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    I suspected from the get-go that your target drive for imaging had a HPA area set. Please read the post I already made here:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10018396#post10018396

    Then, if you still need help, please do a little Googling on HPAs, BIOS settings that may enable them (without actually mentioning HPA in the setting name), and most of all: Make sure your PC motherboard has the most current BIOS available (older BIOS revisions for many boards did not display a setting to turn off an automatically made HPA). Also, check for any Acronis, Paragon, or other backup software that may be installed on your computer, which may also set a HPA area. Many are capable of doing so. Names for it include something like "time capsule" or "protected backup partition".

    For example: My Gigabyte board would set a HPA, and even if I got software to remove it, the board would automatically re-create it again, until I got the newest BIOS, which gave me access to change the setting called something like "Save a backup copy of BIOS to HDD". There are workarounds if a newer BIOS still doesn't give you the option to toggle.

    For a forum expert on this matter, PM unitron, link to his user-page here:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/member.php?u=141805

    He probably has answered your questions, and/or addressed all your potential issues already, just not in this thread.
     
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  13. Feb 24, 2014 #513 of 1474
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    Which references using using HFT (Hitachi Feature Tool), like I've brought up three times now (this is the third time).

    However, it does bring up something I had forgotten about: Cloning a drive with a HPA area set can carry over issues to the target drive.

    I don't think that applies in this case, but it's a good link, and helped remind me to watch out for HPAs on sources (not just targets), when I'm cloning drives.

    I'm about to do a bunch of cloning, so that link potentially helped me avoid some headaches and/or hair-pulling-out.

    As for the poster whom that link was intended for, I think that's a good start, due to it having specific instructions to actually use the HFT utility.
     
  14. Feb 24, 2014 #514 of 1474
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Unfortunately, upon trying to review the instructions link given at this link, I get this error:

    "http://www.acronis.com/r/support/en/kb/907/Removing_HPA.txt from referred page https://kb.acronis.com/content/1710 not found"

    So, I doubt it will be of much help to anybody without the instructions...
     
  15. Feb 24, 2014 #515 of 1474
    ThAbtO

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    I just relooked at that page, seems to be out of date.

    "Created - December 4, 2007; Updated - March 26, 2009; "

    I found another page which uses hdparm:

    http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/DCO_and_HPA

    It will show whether HPA is enabled or disabled.
     
  16. Feb 24, 2014 #516 of 1474
    unitron

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    Right here on this very website at least one person has reported that disabling Intellipark fixed their cold boot problem encountered when upgrading to a larger drive.
     
  17. Feb 24, 2014 #517 of 1474
    unitron

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    The first rule of HPA undoing is to make sure that you aren't using a motherboard that that slaps one on there automatically. (I'm looking at you, GigaByte!)

    What's the brand and exact model number of your motherboard?

    Does it do both IDE/PATA and SATA, or just SATA?

    Without any extra drives, like TiVo drives or drives intended to be TiVo drives, connected, what do you have connected?

    I assume a drive running some version of Windows and a cd or dvd.

    What's hooked up to which controller/port?
     
  18. Feb 25, 2014 #518 of 1474
    ggieseke

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    Try using DvrBARS to do a Full backup of the WD20EZRX. When you get to the Confirm Source Drive screen, look at the number of sectors that it reports. It should be 3,907,029,168.

    P.S. You don't have to actually do the backup, just write down the number and quit there.
     
  19. Feb 25, 2014 #519 of 1474
    unitron

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    I'm pretty sure that

    hdparm

    is on the Ultimate Boot CD

    which I tell how to download in this post

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10021131#post10021131

    and a copy of which everyone should have anyway because of all the other stuff on it.

    Also, I know that

    hdparm

    is on the MFS Live cd v1.4, and is one of the things, along with

    dd

    and

    dd_rescue

    which make it handy to have as well, even if you don't own a TiVo.

    And if, for example, the drive you want to check out is on the third SATA controller, with the first two used up by the regular hard drive and the cd or dvd deck, then

    hdparm -N /dev/sdc

    will tell you if the available LBA number matches the total LBA number, which lets you know if there's an HPA on there or not.


    When dealing with drives which were in Series 1 TiVos, and possibly in other stuff, you may need to "unlock" the drives before trying to actually remove the HPA, and what program you use to do the unlocking may depend on the brand of the drive and/or what it was that locked it in the first place.


    Apparently Wikipedia now has more info on HPAs than when I first got bitten by it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_protected_area
     
  20. Feb 25, 2014 #520 of 1474
    jmbach

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    Got an email from ozzy1983. He hooked the drive up with and external power supply and a good SATA cable and the TiVo continued to reboot. Then he got a dock and used his laptop to restore the virgin image to the drive. It started through guided setup and upon reboot, the same thing happened. So he feels like there is something more than the hard drive that is causing his issues and decided to shelve the project as he has spent too much time on it already. He sends his thanks to everyone here for their help.

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
     

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