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Dual tuner OTA DVRs look like real competition to Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by mr.unnatural, Aug 9, 2014.

  1. Bigg

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    Yup. Well said.
     
  2. shwru980r

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    The cost of the equipment and the programming are most certainly related, because the sum of the two represents the total cost of watching TV. Over time the cost of cable programming is by far the biggest expense for watching cable tv. Since there is no charge for receiving OTA programming, more cash is available for the equipment and the monthly cost becomes insignificant when spread out over the life of the equipment

    Your reasoning is defective. Obviously you would need more tuners to capture all of the cable programming, but that's not the point. The point is with cable programming you have more choices and they all aren't on during prime time, so you can find more programming to watch with less tuners.

    Again, your reasoning is defective. You seem to think the inadequacies of the hopper some how invalidate the demand to capture all of the prime time OTA programming. The 6 tuner OTA DVR would be better than the hopper and have a cheaper total cost for watching TV for someone who watches mostly broadcast network programming.
     
  3. Bigg

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    NO. You can't say that by buying a TiVo and using OTA, you are somehow saving money on cable. First, you aren't getting the same content, and secondly, with cable, you still have to pay the same for a DVR, so the two are really totally separate things. They are only fair to compare once you venture outside of OTA/cable/FIOS and you have to look at equipment provided by the service provider that may be priced totally differently from TiVo.

    I was looking at watching xyz OTA content with OTA vs watching the same on cable PLUS cable channels.

    Wow. You completely missed my point. My point is that the Hopper is crippled. The ideal is a 6 tuner DVR that can record ANY 6 shows, likely 3+ of them will be cable channels if you're using all 6 tuners. The Hopper can basically record 2 shows, and if you happen to record something from a local channel, that's a freebie.

    The Hopper is a crippled POS.
     
  4. mr.unnatural

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    No, I'm pointing out reality. Just because you have more channels on cable, you don't necessarily have more content that you'd prefer to watch. Network TV captures the largest viewing audience on just about any given night, with very few exceptions. That's not to say there aren't a lot of people that watch more shows on cable vs. network TV. It's just that those that do are scattered all over the place. My point is that the each of the shows on cable grab a miniscule audience vs. network TV.

    I've been to Seattle on both sunny and rainy days. Absolute world of difference. ;)

    I realize a lot of people get cable for the variety and selection it offers. Problem is, everyone I've ever known ended up getting disgruntled with the choices on cable after the novelty wore off. Let's face it, 300 channels of crap isn't going to grab the lions share of viewers. Most people tend to migrate to just a handful of channels that carry the shows that interest them and simply ignore the rest. This is why so many people keep wanting a la carte cable subscriptions. Unfortunately, that sort of subscription service would end up costing the customer more in the long run so it's cheaper to go with the bundled packages.

    Now be honest. Do you actually watch all of the channels you receive in the package you subscribe to or do you primarily only watch a select group of channels?
     
  5. Bigg

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    You're still arguing a fringe use case. The vast majority of people with cable watch a lot more TV than people with OTA only because there's more to watch. Sure, the four networks each capture more than the dozens of cable channels, but the dozens of cable channels combined likely capture more viewing than the networks, especially when you count HBO or looks at sports.

    Right. Sunny days are the exception to the rule.

    HBO. Sports. An occasional good show on cable. No, I only watch a select group of channels. But the flip side of that is that I only record one show during the regular TV season off the big 4, although a good chunk of my viewing is PBS. My mainstay for scripted TV that's just entertainment is HBO, for news and information it's Comedy Central, MSNBC, and HBO, for sports it's whatever my team is on, which is like 10 different channels throughout the season.
     
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