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Drive upgrades in a Premiere unit?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by jcostom, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. Sep 21, 2010 #701 of 1486
    aaronwt

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    First it's only if there are alot of recordings, then it's not just the Sd menu. She records from OTA only and since the switch to VHF for a couple of stations in the DC area they can sometimes have issues.
    If it's only two or three shows I will bring my PopBox over and we will either watch it from the PopBox or from her Tivo. if there are more shows(especially if they are from cable)I will just take the Premiere with me just in case. That Premiere is easy to access and I can have the cables removed and have it wrapped in a towel in under a minute. I'll usually grab it just before I head out the door.
     
  2. Sep 21, 2010 #702 of 1486
    rdangel

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    My image is gzipped, but I believe modern day winzip can unzip that. I used ubuntu to build the image, it was really easy and I am NOT a linux guy. I have my boot drive on a flash drive so I pop it in, boot ubuntu and run the commands in comer's email. Its really easy, so easy I could do this again and again.. Makes me think that I should go the ebay route, but I dont want the hassle and would feel guilty charging for Comer's heavy lifting.

    I felt better about myself after donating a small amount to Comer as I would be nowhere without his hard work.
     
  3. Sep 22, 2010 #703 of 1486
    gespears

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    Hey Comer, still wondering the following:

    Does this new disk have instructions for just making a copy of the disk? I have a 2tb I want to make a backup of. It has several recordings on it I don't want to loose if it craps out. Of course they have that stupid copy protection so I can't transfer them off to anything else.

    Thanks!
     
  4. Sep 22, 2010 #704 of 1486
    comer

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    The instructions are primarily about upgrading stock disk for a bigger one with more space for recordings. There are instructions for making a full disk backup as well, mostly in this thread. Full backup does not truncate anything - it is basically a disk image. Even compressed it can be as big as the original disk.
     
  5. Sep 22, 2010 #705 of 1486
    Shagger

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    OK - so I have convinced my self that I will save $$$ by NOT getting the XL and buy a larger drive and install it myself. I did do an expansion on my S2DT Tivo and I am one of those guys that will tinker (build all my own PC's, run CAT5e in the house, do the brakes on the cars, change the oil, etc...) so I guess I will do this expansion myself. Are there any drives to stay away from (reliabilty, 4K issue, etc...)? I realize that the manufacturer reliability is cyclical, (Seagate used to be top dog) but who is currently king? Are people going with 1TB, 1.5TB or 2TB drives? I'd rather do this on a pristine, right out of the box Tivo to minimize transfer time, so I want to get all my parts together prior to starting the assembly.
     
  6. Sep 22, 2010 #706 of 1486
    scoombs

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    Here is a write-up on the 3TB drive including using it internally.
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/3858/the-worlds-first-3tb-hdd-seagate-goflex-desk-3tb-review
     
  7. Sep 22, 2010 #707 of 1486
    comer

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    I didn't do a poll on the subject, but it seems that WD and Hitachi are preferred (in this order). It makes sense to go with 2T drive vs smaller ones - price difference is small, but space is a lot bigger.
     
  8. Sep 22, 2010 #708 of 1486
    richsadams

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    FWIW if I were going to upgrade my Premiere XL today I'd go with Western Digital's WD20EVDS:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136494

    Price-wise it's a little higher than some of the other WD 2TB drives, but it's a dedicated A/V hard drive so the AAM is already set to 128 and based on recent reports if this drive has been manufactured after August 1 or so the issue with the Intellipark feature and soft reboots doesn't apply. So that would be my choice of the moment.

    I used to be a die-hard Seagate man, but over the past few years their QC has plummeted for some reason. Seems like that happened about the same time they acquired Maxtor, but it could be a coincidence. So WD has moved from lower in the food chain to near the top if not top on my list now. I've also had great success with Hitachi's Deskstar 7K1000.C HD31000 IDK/7K. (http://amzn.to/cinYZz or http://amzn.to/bmY99L) They run very cool and quiet and the three I have have been flawless for over a year now. They are 1TB however so I'm not sure about the 2TB version.

    BTW, at today's current prices I wouldn't waste my time with a 1TB or 1.5TB drive. My rule of thumb has always been buy as much space as you can afford even if you don't think you'll use it.

    The 4K Sector format hasn't affected TiVo upgrades to date.

    I'm sure others will chime in but hope that helps and happy upgrading!
     
  9. Sep 22, 2010 #709 of 1486
    slowbiscuit

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    Any luck on figuring out how to enable MFS supersize to get the reserved space back?
     
  10. Sep 22, 2010 #710 of 1486
    Shagger

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    Are there any fan headers inside the Premiere box to keep the drives cool?
     
  11. Sep 22, 2010 #711 of 1486
    richsadams

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    TiVo Premier's have the typical single exhaust fan.

    [​IMG]
     
  12. Sep 22, 2010 #712 of 1486
    RichB

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    Yes, one connector.

    My TiVo XL has a very noisy fan, I am not sure if it began that way though.
    I have a couple of replacements I will try out.

    - Rich
     
  13. Sep 22, 2010 #713 of 1486
    cap

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    Trying the cd now. Great job on this comer. I like how you worded it to explicity explain very clearly what you are doing.

    I can't wait to fire the new upgraded TiVo up.
     
  14. Sep 22, 2010 #714 of 1486
    richsadams

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    HmmmÂ…the fan on our TiVo PXL is near silent, so not normal. Where'd you find other fans? From other TiVo's? I haven't had a close look, is it a standard fan you can pick up at the local computer store? The older TiVo fans were somewhat proprietary.
     
  15. Sep 22, 2010 #715 of 1486
    Shagger

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    One small hitch in my plan, I am planning on getting the Tivo deal for a free Premiere and pay $19.99 for the service. I'd have 30 days for satisfaction guaranteed, but cracking open the Tivo will void the warranty I am assuming. ;) In case of some kind of failure/disaster, I'd hate to be on the hook for $299. Any tips for opening the box without voiding the warranty?
     
  16. Sep 22, 2010 #716 of 1486
    Shagger

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    It looks like there is the SATA power connector in there, I wonder if it would be good to split that and run a fan connector in there to cool the HD further...
     
  17. Sep 22, 2010 #717 of 1486
    richsadams

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    Yes, opening the case does void the warranty. Once upon a time TiVo had one of those little foil stickers wrapped around the case and the back of the box that would be destroyed if the case were opened. They gave up on that years ago though. TiVo modding is a known but never acknowledged activity with TiVo. There have only been a couple of reported instances where TiVo denied warranty service due to an upgrade (as long as the box was returned in original condition) over the years.

    If you were to upgrade the hard drive TiVo can verify that if they look at their logs. Odds are remote that they would do that though.

    If you keep the original hard drive on the shelf you can slip it back in and no one will be the wiser unless you leave half of your PB&J sandwich inside or have a code of ethics that requires you to confess everything you've ever done to anyone that will listen. ;)

    In other words, there s/b nothing to worry about. That said, if it were me I wouldn't upgrade it until you're certain that it's working properly. It's recommended that anyone operate a new TiVo for 30 days or so to be sure it's going to be okay. Most problems with CE products show up very quickly, but a little "burn-in" time doesn't hurt. YMMV of course.
     
  18. Sep 22, 2010 #718 of 1486
    richsadams

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    IMO you don't have anything to worry about. A number of reports here and elsewhere (with both Premiere, TiVo HD and Series3 upgrades) indicate that the larger hard drives aren't raising TiVo's ambient temperature more than a couple of degrees if at all. (The temperature can be viewed on TiVo's System Information screen at any time). If you avoid high-speed drives (a la, WD Black series or any gaming HDD) you s/b fine. The recommended WD GP and GP AV drives run quite cool and quiet.
     
  19. Sep 22, 2010 #719 of 1486
    Shagger

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    Well I had wanted to upgrade BEFORE I filled it up with recordings so the transfer went quicker. I suppose I should be patient and wait... :(
     
  20. Sep 22, 2010 #720 of 1486
    RichB

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    Save your disk and take care to not dent or scratch anything.
    There is no seal that indicates that is was opened.
    If unit fails, you first try the original disk, if it boots re-upgrade.
    If not leave the original in and send it in that way.

    - Rich
     

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