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Drive upgrades in a Premiere unit?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by jcostom, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. Mar 30, 2010 #1 of 1486
    jcostom

    jcostom New Member

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    What can I say, I'm cheap. :)

    I don't see the value in the extra $200 to go from a 320GB drive to a 1TB drive (I already have a glow remote). Being a geek, however, I certainly want the 1+TB capacity in my TiVo.

    When we first bought our THD, before I ever booted the unit, I popped the 160GB HD out and used it to image a new 1TB drive with the MFStools CD (still have the virgin 160GB HD at home in a static bag). Does that same process remain valid on a Premiere? Anybody know if we can go 1.5 or 2TB in these new units?

    Thanks gang.
     
  2. Mar 30, 2010 #2 of 1486
    bkdtv

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    From the sticky at the top of the forum:

     
  3. Mar 30, 2010 #3 of 1486
    jcostom

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    Doh! Not sure how I missed that, especially since I read that post. :( Thanks for the pointer..
     
  4. Mar 30, 2010 #4 of 1486
    matguy

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    Lots of us are interested in updates though, interestingly this was the first question my wife asked. Not sure if she asked because she was interested in it happening or just aware of my history *shrug*
     
  5. Mar 31, 2010 #5 of 1486
    Bsteenson

    Bsteenson TiVo is no BS

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    I am also interested in possibility of internal disk upgrade, but for now I'm going to be content with an external eSATA expander drive. For $129 from Amazon it's only a little more than a 1TB internal drive would cost, plus you get the full 1TB + 320GB instead of losing the original 320GB, plus the warranty stays intact, which might not be a bad thing on such a new product. Fingers crossed I don't have problems with an inconsistent connection between the Premiere and the expander that screws everything up.
     
  6. Mar 31, 2010 #6 of 1486
    jmill

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    TiVo has disabled the ability to "expand" drive space in Premiere. What this means is that current tools will not work until a new way is found to add larger drives.
     
  7. Mar 31, 2010 #7 of 1486
    Dr_Diablo

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    whats that? bout 1200 of SD recordings?
     
  8. Mar 31, 2010 #8 of 1486
    Phantom Gremlin

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    If you're willing to trust WD, have I got a deal for you. I'll sell you my two flaky 500 GB expanders (for really cheap).

    You'll need to test them yourself to see if they work with the Premiere. I'm sure that TiVo couldn't do any of their own testing with the 500 GB ones, because, they probably couldn't find any that still work.

    Okay, I'm trying to make a serious point. Why waste money on a company that sells junk? Why trust WD? Why is TiVo in bed with them exclusively? I'm mad because I went the expander route, just like you're thinking of doing, and now I've already replaced one WD with a 1000 GB internal (not WD brand!) and will replace the other one shortly.

    Right now, if I was considering the Premiere, and if I was sure I wanted more than 320 GB capacity, I'd just buy the Premiere XL. With the 3 year extended warranty. Because the odds are that you'll need to use it.
     
  9. Mar 31, 2010 #9 of 1486
    aaronwt

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    WD drives are generally very reliable. I've used well over 100 WD drives(I'm currently using over forty right now) and have no issues with them.
    Granted I'm not using the WD expander, but the three WD external drives I use also have been fine for the last 2 or 3 years.
     
  10. Mar 31, 2010 #10 of 1486
    aaronwt

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    Who said TiVo was stopping people from upgrading? Someone just needs to figure out how to do it with the Premiere.

    For me, I've already decided I won't be opening my units. I got two XL units and the rest are the regular Premier. Plus I got the 3 year extended warranty on all of them.
     
  11. Mar 31, 2010 #11 of 1486
    SullyND

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    Of course, you assume it was intentional.
     
  12. Mar 31, 2010 #12 of 1486
    turbobozz

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    Not a chance.
    There's no way TiVo will sell or officially approve a drop in internal drive.
    There's an exposed power supply inside the box... they don't want the average consumer thinking they can open the box.
     
  13. Mar 31, 2010 #13 of 1486
    jmpage2

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    I think we should wait and see what is possible before assuming anything. On the surface though this looks like intentional action to stop upgrades or make them much more difficult and sounds like exactly the kind of decision some guy in a suit made to sell more XL boxes.
     
  14. Mar 31, 2010 #14 of 1486
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    Moxi has never let you expand drives and then prevented it
     
  15. Mar 31, 2010 #15 of 1486
    jmpage2

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    Considering that you can't swap out the internal drive in the Moxi for a larger one I'd say you are missing the mark here.

    Adding more external drives is not something a lot of us want to do. It wastes power, etc.

    Now if you can crack open the case on the Moxi and drop a shiny new 1.5TB disk into it it is news to me.
     
  16. Mar 31, 2010 #16 of 1486
    ascuser

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    No, actually that is what he was saying - that you can't do it; he just couldn't find any other way to name drop the Moxi. I'm pretty sure he is just messing with us now to see how many times he can mention the Moxi and in how many different threads. I guarantee you he is keeping a scorecard next to his computer.
     
  17. Mar 31, 2010 #17 of 1486
    rick123

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    I was upset at first (still somewhat) that Tivo is apparently abandoning the S3/HD interface development and major software upgrades to concentrate on the Premier. I was also concerned that Tivo had devalued the resale value on my units by putting out a newer unit that basically is exactly the same except for the upgraded hardware, HD interface and internet "interaction".

    Now that I am reading that you (for now) cannot upgrade a Premier HD, I find my units have a greatly increased resale value IMO. If the premiere HD upgrade solution turns out to be external only, those of us with upgraded HDs and lifetime subs will find our S3s easy to sell for a premium price IMO.

    I had given some thought to getting a Premiere, but I don't need the fancy (soon to be ad driven) interface right now and my units do basically all the rest of the stuff I want. I also have much more storage. I find my units with lifetime subs (especially the 1TB upgrade) just as valuable as a new 320 gb Premiere.
     
  18. Mar 31, 2010 #18 of 1486
    fatlard

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    Nope, as of right now you cannot added a 1.5TB drive to Moxi. They can be upgraded up to 6TB using eSATA drives.

    However, the model of external drives in Moxi is very different from Tivo.

    Moxi will let you use just about any SATA internal drive connected via an eSATA enclosure or a basic eSATA to SATA cable.

    Furthermore, Moxi recordings are not stripped like Tivo. So you can add/remove external drives at will and not lose your recordings.

    Or if you fill up the external drive .. you can unplug it and plug a new blank one to continue recording.
     
  19. Mar 31, 2010 #19 of 1486
    MickeS

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    I wish TiVo would have gone this route too.

    I am pretty sure someone will figure out how to upgrade the internal drive though. When the Series 3 came out, it wasn't user upgradeable at first either IIRC.
     
  20. Mar 31, 2010 #20 of 1486
    SullyND

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    It could be, or the approach that they've taken to allow larger drives broke the existing utilities. It doubt TiVo has copies of WinMFS loaded for testing.
     

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