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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 22, 2008 #1961 of 10248
    bareyb

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    I absolutely agree. I had planned to go back to his website and look for a donation channel. This was huge for me. I had always dreaded my TiVo going dead and having to deal with Comcast and the whole cablecard mess again. Shipping my TiVo back to TiVo and waiting for a refurb in the mail... Now I can fix it myself and my kids and i don't miss any of our shows. That's worth a lot.
     
  2. Nov 22, 2008 #1962 of 10248
    deaddeeds

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    Just wanted to say that I successfully upgraded my Series 3 TiVo today with a Western Digital 1TB WD10EVCS Hard Drive using winMFS. The WD10EVCS Hard Drive is ultra quiet and puts out less heat than the original. I picked it up from buy.com for $125 with free shipping but beware it is a bare drive and the packaging in the box was very poor from buy.com.

    Thanks for all the info in the thread.
     
  3. Nov 22, 2008 #1963 of 10248
    Fofer

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    I replaced my Series 3 internal with a 750 GB upgrade kit (purchased from Weaknees) and it's been running fine. Now I want to expand further by plugging in a 1 TB external (eSata) add-on.

    I know I have to do something, like take the upgrade kit out, plug it into a PC, and apply some command to allow for external expansion.

    Can anyone tell me what that command is? Is there a link or how-to out there I can reference?
     
  4. Nov 22, 2008 #1964 of 10248
    bareyb

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    The command in WINMFS is called "MFSADD". They have most all of the possible scenarios on the first page of this thread which is where I copied this from. They really need to rename this thread because it's about more than just external storage. It also outlines most of the functions that WINMFS can do.

     
  5. Nov 22, 2008 #1965 of 10248
    Fofer

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    Awesome, bareyb. Thanks for that, it's exactly what I needed. Sounds straightforward enough.

    And this won't delete any of my recordings or season passes, right?
     
  6. Nov 22, 2008 #1966 of 10248
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  7. Nov 22, 2008 #1967 of 10248
    bareyb

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    The only other thing you need is a way to hook up your drives to your PC. Either internally with SATA cables or externally with a USB adapter or enclosure. Beyond that, I think you are ready to go.
     
  8. Nov 23, 2008 #1968 of 10248
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    I've been considering the Seagate Pipeline HD (model#: ST31000533cs) 1 TB option and need some advice on an enclosure. The drive will be in near constant operation i fear, so the enclosure having a fan would be a plus. Also, if anyone has any experience with this particular drive, any advice or criticism would be helpful.
     
  9. Nov 23, 2008 #1969 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The Antec MX-1 is by far the highest of recommended external enclosures here. Easy to use and fan cooled. :up:

    I've no experience with that model, but have been using Seagate drives for years and consider them the best. That said, I've been using a 1TB WD GP drive in our TiVo for over a year and it's been flawless.

    EDIT: Some Seagate drives can be loud to very loud but I just checked the acoustic specs on the ST31000533cs, 2.7 to 2.9 bels which is fairly quiet (although there are other models running as quiet as 2.4 bels now) and they market it as a PVR/DVR drive...so not a bad choice as far as I can see.
     
  10. Nov 23, 2008 #1970 of 10248
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    First of all - this is my first post here - MANY thanks to all of the posters, this is a great resource for someone just getting into the TiVo scene!

    I just purchased a used Tivo HD this week and quicly starting to realize I would like to upgrade the internal hard drive. I've read a few pages here and I come across some postings that mention the WD10EACS works fine and others that say that there is a 'soft boot' problem when using this drive.

    Looking at this post, is this 'soft boot' problem only with the T3? Would I experience any issues upgrading my Tivo HD unit to the WD10EACS?

    A local store has the WD10EACS on sale and today is the last day for the sale. I was thinking of picking one up.

    Any advantages/disadvantages of the WD10EACS over the other WD models I've seen listed in this forum (WD10EADS, WD10EVCS, WD10EVVS)?

    Also the 1 year warranty on my unit isn't up until the end of the year, so I'm wondering should I wait until after the unit is out of warranty to upgrade it???
     
  11. Nov 23, 2008 #1971 of 10248
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    The WD10EACS is an older model that was released prior to the availablity of the "designed for DVR" models (WD10EVCS, WD10EVVS). See FAQ #30 in the first post has more information.

    TiVo uses the WD10EVVS in their $599 TivoHD XL. The WD10EVVS is a cheaper version of the WD10EVCS with 8Mb cache instead of 16Mb. You can get the WD10EVCS for $129.99 shipped.
     
  12. Nov 23, 2008 #1972 of 10248
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    Everything you need to know is included in the first post of this thread. bkdtv has done a stellar job of keeping it up to date. (Although I do wish the moderators could change the name of the thread to something like "The Official TiVo HD, HDXL and Series3 Hard Drive FAQ" or something of that nature to better reflect all of the info it includes now...but that's OT here.)

    You can upgrade your TiVo HD with the WD10EACS or the others bkdtv suggests without fear. It was the Series3's that incurred the soft reboot issues. The only caveat is that the WD10EACS is a bit louder than the "DVR dedicated" drives. You can "tune" the acoustics by using a program the Hitachi Feature Tool while you have it connected to your PC if you'd like. Me? I'd go with the drive bkdtv recommends, the WD10EVVS and be done with it.

    With regard to the warranty. Yes, opening the box will void the warranty. However TiVo has no way of knowing that you've done anything unless you tell them or leave evidence behind (so don't be like some doctors and leave something inside ;) ). The rule of thumb is to install your new hard drive and put the old one on the shelf. That way if something goes wrong you can always reinstall the original drive and return the box to TiVo and they will be none the wiser. Plus you'll have a perfect backup drive if something goes wrong with your new one.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  13. Nov 23, 2008 #1973 of 10248
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    Thanks bkdtv & richsadams! I'm going to get a drive and proceed with my upgrade next week. I was thinking the same thing in referenc to having the original drive as a spare. I think I am going to go for the 10EACS (about $20 cheaper) and use the utility to adjust the parameters for the acustics. I'll report back how it turns out.

    Thanks again!
     
  14. Nov 23, 2008 #1974 of 10248
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    TiVo definitely knows if you have upgraded the drive as soon as the unit calls home.
     
  15. Nov 23, 2008 #1975 of 10248
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    True enough...in their logs if someone there were to take the time to look things up. Of course that also means that if one upgrades their internal drive and then calls in with a problem that might trip them up...so it's best to keep things simple by putting the original drive back in if something goes south.

    My point was that AFAIK no one has ever been denied a warranty replacement if they return the unit with the original drive.
     
  16. Nov 23, 2008 #1976 of 10248
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    Just to be sure, I wanted to re-ask this question that got overlooked, before I dive in. I plan to run MFSADD via WINMFS:

     
  17. Nov 24, 2008 #1977 of 10248
    bareyb

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    It appears from the FAQ that it doesn't delete anything and only "adds" but since I haven't done it myself I can't say for sure. I would hate to tell you go ahead and then have you lose data. It is my impression that this is the same as if you had added the external drive using the TiVo's built in functioning and thus would retain all the recordings on your internal drive. Seems logical to me. Hopefully, somebody who knows for sure will chime in.
     
  18. Nov 24, 2008 #1978 of 10248
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    MFSADD doesn't affect the data that is already stored on your internal drive when you pair with an external. Did it myself about 3-4 months ago. However, when my external flamed out and I had to divorce, I lost everything from the day I married them with MFSADD.

    Jason
     
  19. Nov 24, 2008 #1979 of 10248
    Fofer

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    Ah, thanks for this, very helpful information. Also good to know that anything that was recorded prior to the MFSADD marriage was still intact after your external died. (I'd have figured that everything would be lost.)


    Thanks for the feedback, txporter and bareyb.
     
  20. Nov 24, 2008 #1980 of 10248
    myblubu

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    Okay, I'm going through the instructions, getting ready to install my new WD10EACS into my Tivo HD. I'm reading through everything before I start to make sure I don't have questions and then I noticed this in #11:

    9. In WinMFS, click 'Select Drive' and select the two drives you attached. Set 'Drive A' to the original drive. Do not select 'Drive B.

    It may be obvious when I actually start the process, but does this step conflict with itself ('select the two drives' then 'Do not select Drive B'). Let me know if I'm missing something here.

    Thanks!
     

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