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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Nov 14, 2008 #1941 of 10308
    richsadams

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    For anyone wanting to upgrade their TiVo HD or add an eSATA to their TiVo HD or Series3, Newegg has the bare WD 1TB WD10EACS SATA hard drive for $99.99 w/free shipping at the moment...

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136151&Tpk=22-136-151

    Note that this drive will NOT work as an internal upgrade for the TiVo Series3. For more info on this, other drives and upgrade options refer to the first post on this sticky.

    EDIT: Just checked and the drive is back up to it's normal $115 which is still a pretty decent price.
     
  2. Nov 16, 2008 #1942 of 10308
    SteveH66

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    I'm hoping someone here can help me out. I've got a TiVo S3 and I'm trying to expand its storage. I've read through the FAQ here and I'm a tech guy, so this is right up my alley. I'm using the Antec MX-1 enclosure, the SIIG CB-SA0111-S1 cable, and I've tried both the Seagate DB35 750GB drive (ST3750640SCE) and, most recently, the WD AV-GP 1TB drive (WD10EVCS). All of these parts are on the suggested parts list in this FAQ.

    I put the drive into the enclosure, hook it up to the powered-off TiVo, power it up, and follow the on-screen directions. After the confirmation screens, the drive seems to be working fine and the extra storage shows up in the "System Info" screen.

    However, after a short amount of time (between an hour and a day or so), the TiVo freezes and, in some cases, I get the GSOD. If I power off the TiVo, disconnect the drive, the TiVo works just fine.

    I started to get this with the Seagate 750GB drive, so I figured it was the drive and I got the WD drive (both were brand new). So...I'm now convinced now that it's not a drive problem. I've tried two different SIIG cables...the only thing I haven't switched out is the enclosure. Could that be the problem? Should I try another of the Antex MX-1's or try another enclosure? Thanks for any help!

    - Steve -
     
  3. Nov 16, 2008 #1943 of 10308
    greg_burns

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    Sounds like you troubleshot this pretty well.

    If you have eSata on your PC you could attach the MX-1 to it and try stress testing. Sounds like there is something wrong with the controller chip on the Antec. (Hooking up via USB obviously would not test the same components.) From reports here, it seems they are more than willing to do an RMA on it.

    Another option, is to forget the external storage and just put that new 1TB drive internal using WinMFS.
     
  4. Nov 16, 2008 #1944 of 10308
    richsadams

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    Hi Steve, I'm in agreement with Greg...it's almost certainly a problem with your MX-1 enclosure. The one I have worked flawlessly until I disconnected it and installed a 1TB internal drive, but there are probably a half-dozen reports on the forum of those enclosures failing over the past year; not unusual considering how many are in the wild IMO.

    Antec is very good about replacing defective enclosures. I'd get an RMA and get back on the road to more space. :up:
     
  5. Nov 17, 2008 #1945 of 10308
    bareyb

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    Hi guys. My Hitachi drive arrived a day early. Looks like Buy.com packed it properly. Still, do you guys think it would be prudent to run some disc utilities on it to make sure it doesn't have any problems? If so, is there a free Hard Drive utility program I could download to my wife's PC for testing purposes? :)

    I may just do this today if I can get my wife off her PC for a little while... :D
     
  6. Nov 17, 2008 #1946 of 10308
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    bareyb

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    It looks like it creates a bootable "diskette" and my wife's PC doesn't even have a floppy drive. :eek: Is there something built into Vista I can use without having to boot up from it?
     
  8. Nov 17, 2008 #1948 of 10308
    bareyb

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    It looks like maybe you can make a bootable CD too, but I'm still OOL because my wife has Vista and it's not compatible. Any other recommendations for a Hard Disk Utility?
     
  9. Nov 17, 2008 #1949 of 10308
    bareyb

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    There seems to be a utility built into Vista. You right click on a hard drive and use the Properties menu Tools. I'm a little leery of using it. Will it mount the drive or do something "wrong" that might interfere with the WINMFS tools?

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Nov 17, 2008 #1950 of 10308
    txporter

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    Fairly certain that the Check Now button is only for mounted drives that are in a format that Windows recognizes (NTFS, FAT32, etc). That won't work for you. I don't know what to tell you to use to check your drive. I haven't run a check on the drives that I have added to my tivos. I have probably added 4-5 to various series2 and about 3 to series3. I haven't had a failure yet (although I had an enclosure bite it about 3 months back).

    Jason
     
  11. Nov 17, 2008 #1951 of 10308
    bareyb

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    You're probably right. At this point, short of buying a retail Disk Utility that my wife will never use, I think I'm just gonna go ahead and install the drive in my Series 3 and see how it goes. I'm sure if there's a problem I'll know soon enough. If it's got some bad sectors I think the Tivo software can fix that on it's own. Thanks for the input txporter. I think I'm just gonna go for it and take my chances. :up:
     
  12. Nov 17, 2008 #1952 of 10308
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    I don't understand. You download the .iso file then use software like www.imgburn.com to make a bootable CD out of it. Piece of cake.
     
  13. Nov 17, 2008 #1953 of 10308
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    You mean "Instant cake" :D:D
     
  14. Nov 17, 2008 #1954 of 10308
    bareyb

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    Okay. That'll work. I wasn't aware of that program. I was just going by the instructions on the Hitachi site. Thanks. :)
     
  15. Nov 18, 2008 #1955 of 10308
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    It has been almost two weeks now and the external 1TB Fantom GForce drive that I hooked up to my Series 3 is working fine.:up: I really like that availability of 165 hours HD recording.
     
  16. Nov 21, 2008 #1956 of 10308
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  17. Nov 21, 2008 #1957 of 10308
    greg_burns

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    That is the WD10EACS. It will work internally for a TivoHD. Not the original S3.
     
  18. Nov 22, 2008 #1958 of 10308
    richsadams

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    This post caught my attention the other day. The OP is claiming to be successfully using one of the new 3 platter 1TB WD10EACS drives in a Series3. I've asked him if he's tried a soft reboot (the downfall of this drive previously) but no answer as of yet. It'll be interesting to find out if they've altered them to the point of being useful for S3's once again. The early models worked, then they didn't, now they do? Sheesh! :rolleyes: To be continued.

    BTW, to be clear and until we have proof positive that the new WD10EACS works in every aspect in a Series3, they are still to be avoided...but as you point out they are fine for TiVo HD upgrades or as eSATA drives for either model.
     
  19. Nov 22, 2008 #1959 of 10308
    bareyb

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    I have been meaning to check in with a report on the new drive install. I wanted to live with it for a few days and make sure there were no problems with it. To sum up, everything went perfectly. We all owe a debt of gratitude to the WINMFS creator. That is an elegant little bit or work there. Very intuitive. I ended up going for the Hitachi Cinemastar 1 TB unit. I already had a Deskstar I got in a DVRUpgrade.com kit and was very happy with it, plus the Hitachi's seemed to be working well for a lot of people. I got it at Buy.com and the packaging they sent it in was appropriate for a hard drive. They did a good job packing it.

    Using WINMFS was pretty easy. I'd already studied the screenshots on Spikes' website and I had my laptop open to the first page of this thread and used those instructions. I used my (no longer needed) MX-1 enclosure to hook up the TiVo drive to my wife's PC via USB and it worked like a charm. The only oddity was that I tried to save the Backup file to the desktop, it didn't seem to want to let me so I just went with it's default location of the same folder as the application and it worked fine. I left the swap file at 128 mainly because it was the default. I went with the Truncated Backup and it only took a couple of minutes. I had already moved my shows to my other Tivo via MRV overnight. I fugured the less time the software spent working the less likely something would go wrong. In the end, the software worked flawlessly.

    The Cinemastar has a 32 meg cache and I suspect that's made a difference in performance over the 2 megs my original drive had. Maybe removing the external drives just cleaned things up a bit. For whatever reason, the new drive is much faster and more responsive than my S3 was before. It feels like a whole new machine. Another strange but welcome anomaly is that my 30 Second Skip finally works the way I remember it used to. So that was a pleasant bonus. 9.4 had made it much better, but now it updates the image with each click no matter how fast i click. Kind of makes me suspect my original drive was not working at it's optimum.

    At any rate, my S3 seems supercharged now. The whole feel of the thing is better. The Menus have never been snappier, and the whole rig just seems a lot more solid. By losing the two external drives I cut the number of fans by two, and the new Hitachi drives are inaudible from more than couple of feet away. I can just barely hear the fans whirring in the rack now, and I can turn my TV down two notches lower than I could with the external drives attached! :D

    I'm grateful to everyone who contributed to the thread and especially to Tivo Inc. for allowing us to maintain our own machines. This was a really fun project and had q great bang for the buck ratio. I enjoy it every time I turn on the TV. Thanks to you guys for having the courage to do it first. :up:
     
  20. Nov 22, 2008 #1960 of 10308
    richsadams

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    Thanks Barey, nice write up! :up: I've mentioned a PayPal donation link to Spike for the winMFS program more than once, but he's poo-pooed it. I think it's worth a contribution myself. Nice to hear that your TiVo's got a second life as a speedster!

    Enjoy my friend. :)
     

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