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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 24, 2008 #1861 of 10248
    Skyhawk85u

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    Just to add to the thead, I upgraded my THD this morning to a WD10EVCS 1 TB drive. Took less than an hour, I think, with WinMFS which makes it almost completely brainless. Way easier than the extra drive I installed in my Series 1 8 years ago! :) 144 HD and 1367 SD now. Ahhhh....
     
  2. Oct 24, 2008 #1862 of 10248
    Joe3

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    I'm still not clear on this. Can I upgrade the internal hard drive without it affecting the external drive thus keeping all my recordings using the MFSLive Linux Boot CD?
     
  3. Oct 24, 2008 #1863 of 10248
    ccrider2

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    I'm also looking for a drive for my S3. Both of these drives are the same aren't they? Or am I missing something?

    They're both seem to have the same Seagate number ST31000340AS.

    http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-ST31000340AS-Barracuda-Cache-8-5MS/dp/B000UC3CN0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1224829671&sr=8-2

    http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/System_Drives/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=A1307909&dgc=CJ&cid=24471&lid=912336

    What do you think?

    I just ordered the one from Dell, hope I didn't make a mistake. Got a good deal with a coupon code ?2WJ$?FX3J9?WM [Exp 10/29] + $0 shipping = $103

    Chris
     
  4. Oct 24, 2008 #1864 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Ah, my mistake. I hadn't looked at the model number on the Dell site. When I looked up the specs on Seagate's site for the "NCQ" model I came up with specs for the 750GB drive which had the loud acoustic numbers. So you are correct, they are showing the same model number. I have to get to bed earlier. :eek:

    The drive is still a bit noisy by comparison to WD's GP WD10EVCS drive though. (I can barely hear ours when I have my ear right on the TiVo case.) Seagate specs show the idle acoustics for the ST31000340AS to be 2.9 bels idle and 3.2 bels seek. That's certainly better than 3.7 bels! But it's a tad more than WD's 2.4 and 2.5 bels. If it's not going to be in a bedroom I'm sure it'll be fine. Seagate's are great drives so it should still be a good investment...and that's a great price! :up:
     
  5. Oct 24, 2008 #1865 of 10248
    jlib

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    Carmel...
    Seagate has very limited choices in the 1TB class. The Barracuda 7200.11 series of desktop drives which that drive is a member have much better acoustics than the notorius 7200.10 series but since the acoustics on Seagates cannot be adjusted they remain non-competitive as far as seek acoustics go (more important than pure seek performance in the TiVo). Some users here have reported that the default acoustic setting is acceptable so we probably can't make a blanket rejection as with the previous generation Seagate. You will have to determine for yourself if it is at an acceptable level. I wonder why they never made a 1TB DB35 with the intentionally detuned seek?

    Also NCQ just means Native Command Queuing, a SCSI-like feature which all SATA drives have.
     
  6. Oct 24, 2008 #1866 of 10248
    ccrider2

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    Rich
    Thanks for clearing that up.
    I was worried I bought another "SPARE" drive.:D

    While I've got you. What's your opinion on "Supersize"? I realize that it gives you more space, but can there be a down side as far as compatibility goes? I've read that TiVo uses that space for something, can't remember what. Seems like everyone uses Supersize, so why is it an option?

    Thanks Again,
    Chris
     
  7. Oct 24, 2008 #1867 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hey Chris. Supersize away! MFS Supersize frees up extra space reserved for storing tivoclips; the advertising videos that are downloaded. AFAIK there's no downside to Supersizing. (The clips still download). You'd have to ask Spike over at MFSlive.org as to why it's an option...likely something to do with partitions, script conflicts or some such stuff.

    Enjoy all of that new real estate! :up:
     
  8. Oct 25, 2008 #1868 of 10248
    hunts

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    Well I didn't exactly pay the full $140 for it. more like $110 shipped including tax after the coupon. :) If it really is too loud for the tivo, in an external SATA case for back-up it goes!
     
  9. Oct 25, 2008 #1869 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Per my correction post above it shouldn't be too bad. Not "whisper quiet" but more than acceptable I would think. I need a new external for one of my computers so I think I might jump on one myself at $104...it eclipses the 750GB drives for $$ per gig now. Sweet!

    It should work fine. Let us know how it goes! :up:
     
  10. Oct 25, 2008 #1870 of 10248
    Fofer

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  11. Oct 25, 2008 #1871 of 10248
    BruceShultes

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    I have been using one in an external Antec MX-1 case on my S3 for over a year.

    Of course, since I got the drive when it was first released, it cost me close to $600.
     
  12. Oct 26, 2008 #1872 of 10248
    thomaslue

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    It seems to be the fan in the Antec MX-1.
    I am doing an "advanced RMA" with Antec: I order a new enclosure (submitting the RMA number) and I keep the bad enclosure until the new enclosure arrives. Then I do the switch and return the bad enclosure and get reimbursed for the new enclosure and the shipping.

    I'll let you know how it goes.
     
  13. Oct 28, 2008 #1873 of 10248
    richsadams

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    That's good news if you're able to just swap the drive out so you can keep your recordings. :up:
     
  14. Oct 28, 2008 #1874 of 10248
    richsadams

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    I don't have any personal experience to share but Hitachi drives generally receive positive reviews from the forum members using them. Here are the specs...so it appears that it would be a pretty good option. The only thing of concern that I noticed is this item under the "Overview" tab:

    That's a firmware bit and I'm guessing it wouldn't come into play with TiVo as it never goes into "idle" mode. AFAIK no one here has ever said anything about it however if it turns out to be a problem let us know.

    The seek acoustics are not "whisper quiet" but if that's not a concern, it would seem to be acceptable at 3 bels and you may be able to adjust them down. Let us know if you can. :up:

    Happy upgrading! :)
     
  15. Oct 28, 2008 #1875 of 10248
    NatasNJ

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    Ignore post. Found info finally on 1st page.
     
  16. Oct 29, 2008 #1876 of 10248
    richsadams

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    A member that had and cured problems with a WD My DVR Expander posted some good information on another thread that might be helpful in isolating problems, specifically hard drive issues (internal and/or external) so I thought I'd post/link it here.

     
  17. Oct 29, 2008 #1877 of 10248
    GregComeLately

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    Ok, I attempted to do the internal drive upgrade on my S3 and I ran into a problem. I'm wondering if there is something obvious that I am missing.

    STEPS TAKEN: I pulled the original drive from my Tivo S3, lined it up side by side with the new replacement 1TB drive, positioned both next to my (turned off) 3 year old eMachines XP Home computer.

    I opened my computer case, which has two SATA connectors on the motherboard, neither being used. I connected each drive to a respective SATA connector with a SATA cable, used to attach a SATA HD internally within a computer (as opposed to an eSATA cable - I assume that I can use SATA cables for these attachments, or should I have been using eSATA cables?).

    I fired up the computer and ran the mfscopy upgrade software, but couldn't choose/click on the second drive in the software. Then I noticed that my original Tivo drive wasn't spinning/powered on, which I assume is why I couldn't choose it in the drive mfscopy upgrade software. So I proceeded to go through several cycles of turning the computer off, switching SATA cables around, trying four different ones in total, always making sure they were tightly attached, then turning the computer back on. Still nothing. The original Tivo drive would not power up.

    I also tried switching the drives around to use the alternate SATA connection just in case one of these motherboard SATA connectors turned out to be faulty. But with all these various attempts, the new 1TB drive would always power up, but the original Tivo drive never would.

    At that point, I thought, "Oh, Great! I must have fried the original hard drive in the process of removing it from the Tivo case!!". What else could it possibly be? :eek::confused::(

    Fearing the worst, I returned the original drive to the Tivo case, re-attached the cables and fired my S3 Tivo back up, hoping that it would work and all my existing recordings would still be there. I waited with dread throughout the Tivo reboot process. And.. everything was fine. The drive was still working, all the recordings were still there and everything was working properly. :confused::confused::confused:

    I don't get it. WHAT WENT WRONG!?!?! I thought this process was supposed to be relatively easy! :mad:
     
  18. Oct 29, 2008 #1878 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    Are you plugging in the power cable to the harddrive as well as the sata cable? The cable in the S3 has both the sata and power in one harness. (Some special WD connect thingie.) That is not the norm.

    The original 250GB harddrive has both the newer SATA power plug and the older style Molex plug for power (only use one, not both!). Does your PC have the appropriate power plug? Some PC don't have the newer power harness, just the older Molex type. There are adapters you can buy.

    Molex
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    Newer SATA power
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    Also, sometimes you have to enabled the SATA ports in the BIOS. Although, if they have power they should feel warm to the touch and spinning inside even w/o the SATA port enabled.

    I also wonder if your eMachine's power supply is not beefy enough to run two more attached drives. How many watts is it? Seems unlikely, but who knows?
     
  19. Oct 29, 2008 #1879 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Greg went exactly where I was going to go. It sounds like you just don't have power running to your TiVo drive. I'm guessing you're using a SATA cable without a power supply to connect the TiVo drive to your computer...which is fine. But you'll need to get power to the TiVo drive using the molex plug (pictured in Greg's post).

    You have a couple of choices for power. Most PC power supplies come with an "extra" molex power plug. If so you can use that for your TiVo hard drive. Or if you have a CD ROM or DVD drive you should be able to unplug the molex power connector from either and plug it into your TiVo drive. Or you can use a simple molex "Y" adapter. Unplug the power connector from your PC's hard drive and use that as the input for the "Y" connector.

    Hope that helps! (Hope it's that simple...probably is ;) )
     
  20. Oct 30, 2008 #1880 of 10248
    vstone

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    On one PC that I have (a gateway) one of the molex connections is really not fully powered because of a intermediate patch cord/harness designed to power a fan.
     

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