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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 13, 2008 #1841 of 10248
    txporter

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    Your best bet will probably to post on MFSLive forum. I don't think what you are trying to do is supported by WinMFS, but spike might have some ideas.

    Nothing happens to your already recorded programs if you marry an external to an existing drive (I did exactly this when I originally added an external). However, anything recorded after that point will be split between both drives. If you have to divorce the external drive, any recording after the point of marriage will be lost.

    **Guess I can't start a post and leave for 45mins before completing ;). Rich beat me to it**
     
  2. Oct 14, 2008 #1842 of 10248
    neochick

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    Thanks so much for the reply!!

    I do not have much experience with Dos kind of programs (dos commands) and so I do not think I will be brave enough to try:eek: Also, I didn't even think of the difference of drive sizes ...that does sound like it would be an issue.. I really appreciate you mentioning it! :up:

    I did come up with another idea which might work. I have another TivoHd that I got on sale ($99) when I purchased an LCD recently, I was thinking about selling it.. but maybe I can upgrade it first (thanks for your very good advice :up:) with the 1TB, and transfer all shows (MRV, old TivoHD and DVR Expander) to the upgraded TivoHD. This way I have a 1TB TivoHD and can keep all the shows from both the old TivoHD and My DVR Expander! :) Well, it might be a lot of work, but the TivoHD and Expander is full to the max and I would hate to lose it all.

    I will inquire with my original question to Spike at the WinMFS Forum. I am very curious if it would work, maybe a braver soul has tried it already.. :eek:

    Oh Yeah, Copy Protection.... arghh

    I will post again soon with the info. Thanks again!! :)
     
  3. Oct 14, 2008 #1843 of 10248
    neochick

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    I will post to mfslive! :up:
    Thank you!! :)
     
  4. Oct 14, 2008 #1844 of 10248
    brettatk

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    Thanks for adding this. I had thought this as well but was not sure. This is probably the only thing that is worrying me about adding the esata drive. Everything has been running smoothly since I upgraded the internal drive last year. I'd hate for something to go wrong after the install and have to remove the drive after a few weeks knowing I'll lose many shows. Did you have any problems after adding the external?
     
  5. Oct 14, 2008 #1845 of 10248
    twm01

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    I replaced the drive in my HDTivo with a WD10EACS green drive. I now have 144 HD hours and 1367 SD hours according to the system information screen; however this thread shows:

    High Definition Standard Definition

    eSATA Series3 TiVoHD Series3 TiVoHD
    None 32 20 303 180
    120GB 47 ? 445 ?
    250GB 65 ? ? ?
    300GB 71 ? 673 ?
    500GB 98 86 927 810
    750GB 131 ? 1244 ?
    800Gb 138 ? ? ?
    1 TB 165 153 1561 ?

    Should I have 153 hours of HD as this table shows? Should I be concerned that I did not do the upgrade properly? WinMFS prompted me to use the extra space (supersize), which I did...

    Thanks in advance!
     
  6. Oct 14, 2008 #1846 of 10248
    moxie1617

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    The table values are for the addition of an external drive, not replacement of an internal drive. The values represent the capacity of the original internal drive plus the 1 TB external drive.

    144hrs/1367hrs is what has been reported before for an internal upgrade.
     
  7. Oct 14, 2008 #1847 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Well...why didn't you say so?! ;) That sounds like the perfect solution! :up:
     
  8. Oct 14, 2008 #1848 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Moxie is exactly right. 144HD/1367 is exactly what we have as well. Congrats and enjoy! :up:
     
  9. Oct 14, 2008 #1849 of 10248
    txporter

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    Well, yeah unfortunately...I added a 2 yr old APRICORN enclosure with a 500G Maxtor drive to one of my TivoHDs (had used to previously with a TWC DVR). It was fine for about a month and a half and then it crapped out on me. My Tivo frozen during a MRV and then rebooted. It then would not recover from the reboot very successfully (I got it to recover a couple of times, but it would reboot if I tried to transfer a show or watch a recorded show.) This behavior was fixed when I divorced the drive and went back to internal only. Luckily, I only lost about 12 shows, so it wasn't a huge deal (I had been keeping up on TV).

    Jason
     
  10. Oct 14, 2008 #1850 of 10248
    txporter

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    You best bet may be to upgrade your other TivoHD with the 1TB internal and move all of your season passes to that machine. Basically only use your original TivoHD to watch the shows that are copy protected. Once you get through those shows, you can divorce the external and add it to the machine you upgraded with the 1TB drive. The non-copy protected material can, of course, be MRV'd as soon as your other machine is up and running.

    Jason
     
  11. Oct 14, 2008 #1851 of 10248
    twm01

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    Thanks for the affirmation guys - I will put it to good use, I can assure you!
     
  12. Oct 20, 2008 #1852 of 10248
    sariemerci

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    I've read that disconnecting the expansion drive while TiVo is on can cause lots of problems, so I'd like to report on what happened to me when I accidentally did this while moving stuff around: Nothing!

    As soon as it happened, TiVo immediately restarted, then told me the drive had been disconnected and it could not run without the drive so please fix it. So I turned off tivo, re-secured the connection, restarted the hard drive, and powered tivo back up. That's it. No lost programs, re-formatting of my extrenal drive, nothing.

    My external drive is one the 1TB Fantom GreenDrive with the WD hardware. I've had it for a few weeks now with no issues, with Suggestions actively recording the whole time. Of course I'm moving into winter at home now, so it will be a while before I see how well it holds up in higher temperatures....

    Just thought y'all might find that interesting.
     
  13. Oct 20, 2008 #1853 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Thanks for the feedback. The reports regarding "problems" when disconnecting an expansion drive (when TiVo is on or off) center around removing it without properly divorcing it or just removing it permanently (wherein all recordings made since the drive was attached will be lost).

    Accidentally disconnecting an eSATA drive won't cause any problems as long as it's properly reattached and TiVo is rebooted as you've outlined.

    Glad to hear that your new Fantom drive is doing well! :up:
     
  14. Oct 22, 2008 #1854 of 10248
    thomaslue

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    I bought a WD10EACS through the Buy.com deal back in August (see quote below).
    I installed it in my Antec MX1 and it has been purring along nicely, recording lots of HD programs with my S3.

    But yesterday, it started making a constant grinding sound that is twice as loud as it's usual hum. It seems to still be working and all the movies show up in the Now Playing list, but the sound is worrisome.

    YIKES! Please advise! What do I do?

    Thanks,
    thomaslue

     
  15. Oct 23, 2008 #1855 of 10248
    thomaslue

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    One more bit of info:
    I notice that if I carefully shift the Antec MX1 in it's cradle, I can sometimes change/reduce the sound it makes.

    Is it possible that the problem is with the Antec MX1?

    Thanks,
    Thomas
     
  16. Oct 23, 2008 #1856 of 10248
    jlib

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    Since it has a fan you will need to figure out how to isolate the drive sound to determine the source. I don't have an Antec MX-1 so I can't give you any specific advice but I would shut down the TiVo and MX-1, open the case of the MX-1 and then turn on just the MX-1 and see if there is an easy way to disconnect the fan. If it is soldered in you should be OK to jam a pencil into the blades to temporarily stop it. That should allow you to determine noise source.
     
  17. Oct 23, 2008 #1857 of 10248
    richsadams

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    The fan in my MX-1 was noisy when I first plugged it in (without a drive installed). I pushed and poked and then finally gave the case a bit of a whack on my desk and it quieted down to a light hum and it's been fine since then (although I'm not using it at the moment).

    As jlib suggests, unplug TiVo and your MX-1 and disconnect it. Open the MX-1, plug it back in and turn it on. You'll quickly know if it's the fan (under the drive) or the drive itself. If it's the fan you can remove the drive and try to calm it down by physically adjusting it a bit or perhaps using a tiny amount of lubricant. But if that doesn't work Antec is very good about replacing them.

    If it's the drive you can get an RMA from WD.

    Unfortunately if it's the drive you'll need to properly divorce it (just plug TiVo back in and follow the screen instructions) which will lose all of your recordings since it was attached. Since the drive still works you can reconnect it and transfer them to another TiVo via MRV or to your PC (if the recordings aren't copy protected) with TiVo Desktop. Hopefully it's just the fan that needs a little attention.
     
  18. Oct 23, 2008 #1858 of 10248
    thomaslue

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    Thanks guys.

    I will do what you suggest and report back.
     
  19. Oct 23, 2008 #1859 of 10248
    hunts

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  20. Oct 24, 2008 #1860 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Well...loud and expensive come to mind.

    The model you're looking at (or have): Idle 2.8 bels, seek 3.7 bels. By comparison this Seagate drive is quieter (2.5 and 2.9 bels) and costs less at Amazon.com or Newegg.com. (It's also part of Seagate's new eco-friendly line similar to WD's GP drives.) 3.7 bels will be very noisy and you cannot adjust the acoustics on Seagate drives.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a Seagate man from way back, but there's no need to spend extra for features TiVo can't use and end up with the sound of a thrashing machine coming out of your nice TiVo. ;) Can you return it?
     

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