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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Oct 3, 2008 #1801 of 10283
    richsadams

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    Excellent! :up:
     
  2. Oct 3, 2008 #1802 of 10283
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    richsadams

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    I completely missed that thread...thanks! After slogging through the posts I'm not convinced that it's a v9.4 issue but more of an issue with the expansion drives. Some are adamant that it is, others just as adamant that it's not.

    In my small way of thinking it would seem that if it is a v9.4 issue that everyone that has an eSATA drive connected should have seen a problem upon the upgrade. Just as with the "normal" internal drive problems after an upgrade, I suspect that the same rule of thumb would apply to external drives acting up or failing. There are people chiming in very recently about issues with their external drives...long after v9.4 was installed. Some folks are saying that they have no problems at all using identical components.

    I won't disagree that something in v9.4 could trigger a latent problem but I can't imagine what it would be. To me it should be problematic to everyone or no one, not just some (unless it's local, signal/cable cards, etc.).

    I know that doesn't answer your question, but I'm not sure what the caveat would be since it doesn't affect everyone and those it does affect have various eSATA drives connected including the approved WD My DVR Expander. Hmmmm.:confused:

    BTW, thanks again for your hard work on your original post...there are a LOT of folks here that are very grateful. (Of course if there's now a problem...they might blame you! :eek: :D )
     
  4. Oct 3, 2008 #1804 of 10283
    Joe3

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    Go for it, if you are willing to do the leg work trying to recreate some of the problems.

    No problem for years until 9.4 then Pro 750 becomes a trukey???

    Green Screen attack during the last debate is the last straw.

    You gave us room with your hack on our new TiVo 3 well in advance of the limited space roll out of the laughable 500G "Spandexer"

    We trust you. ;)
     
  5. Oct 3, 2008 #1805 of 10283
    richsadams

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    You've had a Seagate FAP 750 connected to your Series3 for...years?! :eek: (IIRC it was along about May 07 and you were one of the people that brought the FAP's inadequate/short connector SATA cable to everyone's attention :up:.) Probably seems like years though.

    FAP's have had a spotty record since day one so I guess it's nice that it's worked at least up until now anyway. So are you assuming it's something to do with the the FAP and not your internal drive? Did you divorce it, run any diagnostics, etc.?

    Seriously, best of luck whatever it is. I hope things work out for you. :)
     
  6. Oct 3, 2008 #1806 of 10283
    djherzik

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    Is there an easy way to add a non supported drive (like kickstart 62)?
     
  7. Oct 3, 2008 #1807 of 10283
    greg_burns

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    Nope. Gotta use WinMFS. Which isn't hard to do, but requires hooking your drives to a PC.
     
  8. Oct 4, 2008 #1808 of 10283
    dpoterek

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    What if you just backup the boot page and restore it to the new drive?
     
  9. Oct 4, 2008 #1809 of 10283
    nycstartupfiend

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    I just tried adding an eSATA seagate drive to my Tivo Series 3. the first time i added the drive (powered off the Tivo, turned on the seagate and then turned on the Tivo Series 3) the Tivo booted properly and found the drive (it was listed in the "External Drive" section of System Information). I had not yet found the instructions on how to add the drive from the first page of this thread/FAQ (i.e. Enable the eSATA drive through the Settings -> Remote, CableCARD, and Devices -> External Storage menu. Screenshots: #1, #2, #3.) thinking instead that I was supposed to see a prompt for adding the drive during the startup process.

    So I then proceeded to shut down the Tivo and the Seagate eSATA external drive and redo the whole thing in the hopes that on the 2nd attempt during the startup process it would give me a prompt to add the drive. Unfortunately, it did not and instead, the Tivo just hung/froze on its very first screen during bootup. (in fact, it hung overnight - i let it sit that way last night hoping that it just had to take its time because it had to format the external drive or something).

    So now i'm stuck and not really sure what to do. Note that if I unplug the eSata drive from the Tivo, the Tivo boots properly and rapidly.

    Anyone have any ideas?

    thanks!

    Elie
     
  10. Oct 4, 2008 #1810 of 10283
    Geowolf

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    Hello all,
    I recently purchased a WD10EVCS and two SATA USB adapters:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E6NGBU

    I'm attempting to follow the instructions in the sticky posting:
    The problem occurs for me when I hit step 9. Step 8, the Mfscopy completes successfully. I close the associated dialog and then choose Tools-> Mfsadd and choose OK in the resulting "are you sure" dialog. Mfsadd immediately returns an error that says something to the effect of the operation couldn't be performed (I don't have the exact wording - see below).

    The first time I hit this I tried various things, but eventually I managed to make WinMFS mad enough at me that it no longer recognized the destination drive as a TiVo drive (I basically tried various combinations to get Mfsadd and/or MfsSuperSize to take effect).

    I then gave up, and redid the Mfscopy step. Again, after completing step 8, step 9 (without selecting any drive other than the previous selections of source and destination) Mfsadd returned an error. This time selecting the destination drive (i.e. doing step 10) and then doing step 9 got Mfsadd to do something, however WinMFS crashed after it was done and subsequent attempts to select the destination drive cause WinMFS to crash.

    Right now I'm redoing the Mfscopy step again. I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing. Am I correct in understanding (as per the directions) that people expect the Mfsadd step to work immediately after closing the Mfscopy dialog without the need to select the destination drive (i.e. step 9 immediately after step 8 with no need to do step 10 first)?

    I'm not sure where I'm messing up, I'm usually good with these sorts of things :confused:. Any advice or alternate directions would be appreciated. (Please forgive me if my description is muddled - doing this process for a third time has left me frazzled).

    Regards,
    G
     
  11. Oct 4, 2008 #1811 of 10283
    PhiTauBill

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    Yikes, I am in the middle of mfscopy onto the WD10EVCS right now (although I have my drives hooked directly to the mobo through SATA connection)... my original TiVoHD drive is pretty full, so it will likely be a few hours until mfscopy is complete. I'll let you know if I experience the same issue when I go to do mfsadd.

    On another topic, anyone know about how long it generally takes to move all of the recordings and setting from a full 160gb drive? This thing has been at it for 3 hours now, and the winmfs GUI appears to be hung. I/O read bytes (10+ GB) seem to still be climbing, but I've been here for 15 minutes, and I/O Write bytes (9+GB) haven't moved one bit... does it write in periodic batches?

    Thanks!
     
  12. Oct 4, 2008 #1812 of 10283
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum! Sorry to hear that you ran into a bit of trouble adding your expansion drive. You (actually TiVo) had it right the first time. If the drive was listed in your System Information it was operational...no need for the "acknowledgment" screens. IIRC only the TiVo HD will display the prompt screens.

    So you should be able to do the same thing again. Unplug TiVo, connect the eSATA cable from your eSATA drive, power up your eSATA drive (give it a good 10- 15 seconds to come up to speed), plug TiVo back in and you should be in business. Verify the new hours of HD and SD in the System Information Screen and that should do it.

    If it still hangs the cable may be loose, etc. Make sure everything is snug. If it hangs there's no reason to wait (formatting the external drive takes a few seconds), just unplug it and try again.

    The only caveat...Seagate Free Agent Pro (FAP) drives are known to be problematic. If that's the type of drive you have and you still have problems you might want to return it and get one of the drives from the recommended list on the first post of this thread.

    Good luck and let us know how it goes! :up:
     
  13. Oct 4, 2008 #1813 of 10283
    richsadams

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    The winMFS GUI will appear to hang during long copy periods, but it's not, so unless you're positive that there is zero activity for an extended period of time, it's best to let it keep working. Copying everything over can take several hours. The MFSLive.org forum has a number of postings that can give you more details as well.
     
  14. Oct 4, 2008 #1814 of 10283
    richsadams

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    Hmmm...that's an odd one. Others here may have some input, but if not it's probably best to post over on the MFSLive Forum and see if Spike can answer your question.

    Best of luck!
     
  15. Oct 4, 2008 #1815 of 10283
    Geowolf

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    I forgot to mention that for the third attempt I decided to do it with a different laptop (both laptops are Dell). The third time appears to have been the charm. The process took slightly longer. I'm not sure if that means it copied more stuff or if that was just because the other laptop while newer is slightly slower. When the Mfscopy completed it automatically prompted me if I wanted to expand the destination drive because it had available space. I chose yes, and it executed an Mfsadd which worked! :D Attempting step 9 anyway (out of curiosity) yielded the same error message I had been previously seeing (something about error 22 - no available space - unfortunately I was lazy and didn't bother writing down the exact wording). Checking with Mfsinfo, however, verified that there was no need to do a manual Mfsadd, because it reported the disk was already the correct size.

    I then went ahead with the select drive and MfsSuperSize steps. I installed the new drive into my TiVo and all appears to be well. I tested watching small bits of various transfered recordings from the original drive and didn't encounter any problems. I still need to test recording and live with the new drive for a while to be sure that all is well, but it certainly seems promising.

    I'm not positive what the difference was between the two laptops. It might be a driver difference (although I'm pretty good about keeping my drivers up to date and on the latest patches to Windows). It might be related to software differences. In particular the problematic laptop has COMODO Firewall Pro installed, although I had both the Firewall and Defense + portions of COMODO turned off. The problematic laptop also has a slightly older version of McAfee, although again I disabled this on both laptops to minimize the chance of interference with WinMFS and make sure that it operated as fast as possible.

    In reading previous threads I had occasionally seen advice about trying another computer, so I guess let my experience add to that. If there's an unexplained failure try a different computer just in case :).


    Regards,
    G
     
  16. Oct 4, 2008 #1816 of 10283
    Teeps

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    Installed the 1Tb Fantom Drives "GreenDrive" today. Touch wood it all went well. Though, TiVo fussed about it being an unsupported unit, the installation completed and there is 165 hours of HD storage now. I can't believe how quiet the drive is.
    As has been noted before, the drive did not come with an eSata cable.

    This is the cable I bought: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330271805637 the connection is secure at both ends; but does not have a positive lock.
     
  17. Oct 4, 2008 #1817 of 10283
    Geowolf

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    Agreed. Copying for me took a little over 4 hours (per attempt). That was for a Series 3 original drive (250 GB) that was roughly 80% full.

    Also interestingly the UI updated less well on the laptop that actually successfully copied my data. I have no idea why.


    Regards,
    G
     
  18. Oct 4, 2008 #1818 of 10283
    richsadams

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    Phew! Excellent news. :up:
     
  19. Oct 4, 2008 #1819 of 10283
    richsadams

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    Another success story for the Fantom. I see buy.com has upped the price by $10 to $139 (AR) now, but still a very good deal. Thanks for reporting in! :up:
     
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