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Drive Expansion and Drive Upgrade FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. Aug 26, 2008 #1701 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Ha! Good one! LOL!! :D That's a feature that's been requested for years and years. TiVo doesn't think it's needed apparently. There's a dedicated discussion about it in another area of the forum so don't let anyone hijack this thread to air the pro's and con's. Here's the latest one, but there are dozens of them floating around.

    That said, there is a neat little program that we use called TiVo Playlist that features a basic disc usage meter/graph. You'll need to have your TiVo networked to a P.C. to use it, but it works quite well.

    Oh, and congrats on the additional real estate. Enjoy!
     
  2. Aug 26, 2008 #1702 of 10248
    Beachbum55

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    Thanks Rich! Seemed like such a simple feature, I was certain it was hiding somewhere. No biggie really, since we probably won't push the combined capacity that often.
     
  3. Aug 26, 2008 #1703 of 10248
    ThAbtO

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    The 'Total' amount of storage in hours is listed only on the 'System Information' screen.
     
  4. Aug 26, 2008 #1704 of 10248
    jlb

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    Got home to my Expander this evening! Yayyyyy!!!

    Connected without a hitch at all. I used the SIIG cable. Folks have said that it sort of "snaps" in. I didn't detect a snap. However, it does feel more sturdy in there than the supplied cable.

    Anyways, I am very excited. We passed the WAF without a hitch too (basically.....indifference). So far so good!!!!!

    Thanks to everyone in this thread for letting me waiver back and forth before finally jumping in (thanks to Amazon's $135 price).
     
  5. Aug 26, 2008 #1705 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Well done. :up: Enjoy!
     
  6. Aug 27, 2008 #1706 of 10248
    Poochie

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    OK, I've read through much of this, and think I have a handle on things, but thought I'd double-check since I don't want to make any mistakes.

    First, my general plan would be to upgrade the internal drive of my stock S3. It's already running 9.4. I figure this way I'll have a backup drive (the original), and I won't have to worry about an external enclosure / eSata cable coming loose. If I ever need more than 130 hours then I can always add an Antec/1TB external later, but I doubt I'll need/want that anytime soon.

    I will follow the FAQ (Section III, #11, steps 1-11) then put the 1TB drive into the S3 and power it up (and cross my fingers)

    Second, I'm planning on using the WD10EVCS drive (~$180 at Amazon). The price differential with the WD10EACS (~$164 on Amazon) is small enough to me to make me not want to worry about "will I get a EACS revision that doesn't work as a S3 internal drive?" and "will it be louder?".

    Questions:
    - Will the (EVCS) drive come pre-configured with the proper AAM level, or will I need/want to run a tool on it while it's in the PC?
    - If I later want to add a homebrew external setup, and I'm running through step 13 of Section III #11, would I be considered to be "upgraded directly from my original TiVo drive" or "upgraded from a previously upgraded TiVo" when prepping the external drive? I'd think/guess I'd fall into the latter and would need to run the LiveCD method here, but not 100% sure.

    Whew! Hopefully these are simple questions. Thanks in advance!
     
  7. Aug 27, 2008 #1707 of 10248
    flar

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    Check it out on buy.com - currently $157.99 for the WD10EVCS (and you can google a $5 coupon for first time buyers as well).
     
  8. Aug 27, 2008 #1708 of 10248
    greg_burns

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    I bought the EVCS for my S3. Got mine at buy.com. Price has dropped considerably in the last month. I see they have it for $158 w/ free shipping.

    My EVCS already had the AAM set to 128 (i.e. quiet seek mode).

    If you later want to add an external drive, you attach your current 1TB internal (not the old original 250GB) and the new external drive to your PC and use WinMFS. Should be easy (but I have given up myself for now).
     
  9. Aug 27, 2008 #1709 of 10248
    Poochie

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    Jim/Greg- thanks for the pointers to buy.com.

    Greg- thanks for the info on the EVCS. Hopefully all will go smoothly and I'll not have to worry about running out of space once the fall season, football season, and hockey season are in full swing.
     
  10. Aug 31, 2008 #1710 of 10248
    gabbott1

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    Just got my first Tivo - a Series 3 HD unit that obviously needs more storage capacity. Seems like adding an external 1 TB drive is a reasonable place to start and then replace the internal drive as well if I decide I want still more storage. In reviewing the postings, it seems the Western Digital and the Hitachi drives are the main recommended choices for building an external solution...but the Hitachi also seems to currently be $50 - $100 more than the Western Digital drive. Is there any advantage or reason to spend the extra $ to get the Hitachi?

    Thanks for any insight and help.
     
  11. Sep 1, 2008 #1711 of 10248
    KustomMerc

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    Well thanks to all who helped with my external problem. It seemed that after I checked and replaced cables, hard drives, etc. The last thing I checked of course was the problem. My MX-1 encloser had gone bad. The Series3 couldn't see it. So I went down and bought a new 1TB ($149) drive installed a new MX-1 and with the Series 3 new software nothing to do but hook it up. Wow when I checked the Sys Info..... I had 164 hrs of HD recording avail. Man that's Kool!

    Thanks again:):) :up:
     
  12. Sep 1, 2008 #1712 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Welcome to the forum. :up: I'm a Seagate man myself, but I've had the recommended WD 1TB hard drive in our Series3 for about 10 months now without any issues at all. AFAIK there's no advantage to the Hitachi drive other than that they do have a positive failure record.

    To avoid confusion, did you get a Series3 or a TiVo HD? Both are from the Series3 family, but of course there are marked differences such as the TiVo HD's tiny hard drive. If it's a Series3 adding an external drive is fairly simple (follow the instructions on the first post of this thread). If it's a TiVo HD replacing the internal hard drive is recommended since the drive has to be pulled to marry anything besides the 500GB WD My DVR Expander.
     
  13. Sep 1, 2008 #1713 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Yours is one of several posts regarding failing MX-1's that have popped up now. How long was it in service?

    Congrats on getting everything up and running...enjoy!
     
  14. Sep 1, 2008 #1714 of 10248
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    I am going to upgrade my TiVo HD to a 1TB internal fairly soon (ie: hours).

    From what I read in one of the first posts it's just a matter of attaching the TiVo HD drive and the new 1TB drive. I open WinMFS, select the TiVo Drive. Make a backup of the TiVo HD drive, then restore it to the 1TB drive, making sure I have the SuperSize option selected (pretty much following the instructions as posted in that post). The TiVo is completely empty so I'm just gonna transfer the data and no shows - that seems to be the simplest method in my case.

    However, I read that you can't boot to a Windows PC with the TiVo drive - I assume that's not correct. The thing you can not do is open Disk Manager and Initialize the disk. If you don't do that you should be fine - correct?
     
  15. Sep 1, 2008 #1715 of 10248
    gabbott1

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    Thanks Rich, appreciate the response and help. Seagate would have been my first choice as well but it seems the DG-35 isn't made in a TB capacity as yet...hence my going towards the WD or Hitachi. Sounds like the WD is the route to go. Sorry for the confusion - I have a new Series 3 which, with the current $200 rebate, wasn't much more than a HD and though discontinued, seemed to offer more capabilities. Now I just have to (somewhat impatiently) wait for Comcast to get around to coming out to install the CableCards. Your posting seems to indicate that you have M-Cards in your Series 3 so I am guessing that it is what Comcast will be providing (appears you are in Lake Oswego and I am in Portland so I suspect we both have the same Comcast policies/practices). So do I need 1 or 2 M cards?

    On a different note, is there anyway I can delete all these annoying ads that Tivo seems to download into my machine? I go to view my photos or listen to music and I have to wade through multiple screens of stuff I didn't put on there and don't want just to get to my photos or music. I didn't immediately find anyway of deleting them though...

    Have a good Labor Day.

    Greg Abbott
     
  16. Sep 1, 2008 #1716 of 10248
    flar

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    That is all consistent with my recent experiences upgrading my S3 to a 1TB internal drive. I was booted into Windows and connected the drives just fine, but did not use any Windows tool to initialize them in any way and WinMFS was able to do the transfer without any problems. Just for safety I hooked up the 1TB first and ran the Western Digital diagnostics on it for 2 full passes (1 test pass reading every sector and 1 "write 0s" pass) just to be sure that the entire drive was accessible and writable.

    Once I was sure I had a working 1TB drive I then disassembled the TiVo and did the upgrade as you specified using WinMFS with no trouble whatsoever. I didn't bother running the supersize option until after I did the full copy as it can be done at any time. When you select supersize it acts on the existing selected TiVo drive so if you try to do the copy with it "selected" really what you'd be doing is supersizing the original and then copying from the supersized drive. I didn't want to modify my original drive in any way (even though I backed it up) so I waited until the full copy was done and then selected the new drive as the TiVo drive and then ran the supersize option. I ended up with the full 144/1367 that I was supposed to have so everything worked just fine that way...
     
  17. Sep 1, 2008 #1717 of 10248
    analog4

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    I went ahead and upgraded the TiVo HD and I am happy to say it went great. I now have the 144/1367 as I'm supposed to have with a 1TB drive.

    What I did was boot with the TiVo drive attached. I made a backup of the drive, the kernel and the boot page (I figure why not - only the first one was necessary). Then I turned it off, attached the 1TB Seagate ES.2, and did a restore onto the drive. It then asked if I wanted to use the extra space and I said yes. Then I went and made sure SuperSize was on and it said it already was. Then I powered off the computer, put the new 1TB drive into the TiVo HD and it worked.

    In case anyone is wondering, I'm using a Seagate ST31000340NS Barracuda ES.2 1TB drive - it's working so far.
     
  18. Sep 2, 2008 #1718 of 10248
    richsadams

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    Hey Greg...sounds like you and your new (and inexpensive :mad: ;) ) Series3 will be fine. Our Series3 has two "S" cable cards and our TiVo HD has one "M" cable card, both from Comcast. You would need two "S" or two "M" cable cards for your Series3.

    I had a Seagate DB35/MX-1 eSATA drive before upgrading the internal drive in our S3. It's in one of our PC's now...whisper quiet and rock solid. Based on posts here and on other forums it looks like WD has really put some effort into QC over the past couple of years though.

    Not sure which ads you're referring to. Whenever I look at photos or play music from my PC I pretty much go directly to them...I don't run into any advertisements. Hmmm. :confused:

    In any case, it was a good Labor Day Weekend...but not long enough! :D
     
  19. Sep 2, 2008 #1719 of 10248
    jlib

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    Yes, you are correct as far as Windows XP and later goes. The only caveat applies to Win 2K which will initialize the drive without prompting. That is probably where that info you heard came from.
     
  20. Sep 3, 2008 #1720 of 10248
    Agent86

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    Odd - I've got neither of those models.

    The drive I got says:
    MODEL: WD10EACS-00C7B0
    DATE: 11 JUN 2008

    It was purchased from Provantage on 08-14-2008.

    So I'm not sure how many platters this one has - would be interesting to know. I couldn't get the drive to work with the Hitachi tools to adjust the AAM, but I was able to make the adjustment using hdparm on the MFSLive Linux boot CD.

    The drive is whisper quiet, and works like a charm in my TiVoHD!
     

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